WWE RAW Discussion Thread - June 2, 2014 from Indianapolis, IN (#1097)

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When

United States: LIVE, Monday Night, June 2, at 8/7c on the USA Network

United Kingdom: Tuesday Morning, June 3, at 12AM on SkySportsHD3

 

Venue

Bankers Life Fieldhouse in Indianapolis, IN

 

Confirmed Matches/Events

 

Payback Fallout

[ViciousPrism 177]

The Shield is dead. F*ck WWE. Good f*cking going, you utter f*cking turds.

[Guest John Hancock]

They've still got Dean and Roman. Not knowing where this is going, I don't hate it. They got rid of Batista, adjusted the numbers so Evolution still have the advantage, kept the feud fresh and surprising, hopefully Seth will get a push, and it was really over. When Dean and Roman turn on each other, then they can f*ck off, I'd rather they went their separate ways amicably for a possible reunion and, who knows, when the feud evolves, maybe Seth will see the error of his ways and come back in, so they can separate as a team, and the leave the window open for future "one night only" team ups, Kane and the Undertaker style.

 

Whilst I'm aware this is WWE, and I never, ever, ever get what I want, I'm encouraged that what I want still potentially exists, which is more than I can say for literally everyone and everything else in the entire company, so I'm not ready to take my shirt off and start yelling at people just yet.

[ViciousPrism 177]

Think about the logic, Seth turned on a group that decimated Evolution not 24 hours earlier in a clean sweep. If this was say February when Shield were teasing a break up, it'd be easier to swallow, but this is straight up boo-shit.

[Maxximus 353]

They've still got Dean and Roman. Not knowing where this is going, I don't hate it. They got rid of Batista, adjusted the numbers so Evolution still have the advantage, kept the feud fresh and surprising, hopefully Seth will get a push, and it was really over. When Dean and Roman turn on each other, then they can f*ck off, I'd rather they went their separate ways amicably for a possible reunion and, who knows, when the feud evolves, maybe Seth will see the error of his ways and come back in, so they can separate as a team, and the leave the window open for future "one night only" team ups, Kane and the Undertaker style.

 

 

Literally none of that will happen. Cool things don't happen.

 

Cena to team with Ambrose and Reigns then a few years down the road they can retcon it to where Cena was all three members of the Shield.

[Guest HH-Evolution]

Eh, I can dig it...but then again, I'm probably wholly biased! :lol

[ViciousPrism 177]

You're a wh*re.

[Guest HH-Evolution]

Takes one to know one, Prissy! :3

[Guest John Hancock]

Think about the logic, Seth turned on a group that decimated Evolution not 24 hours earlier in a clean sweep.

 

Make it about money. Evolution is the weaker team physically and morally, but they've got money, and they've got power. They can give Seth Rollins the things the Shield couldn't; title shots, the highflying lifestyle, a protected position in the company. How many times has he risked his body for the Shield? Throwing himself of walls and video screens and over top ropes to save his friends, and he didn't get anything for it other than injuries. Now he's actually got something worth fighting for; success, and all he had to do was cut out the people that were holding him down the most, with their outdated moral bullshit, and their stubborn refusal to play the corporate game even a little bit. It's their fault, they were self destructive, and their victories weren't worth shit because they kept picking fights with people and things bigger than them, systems and entities they could never really beat just physically. It's not betrayal, it's not selling out, it's survival of the fittest... it's Evolution. Ta-dah.

 

But, then again, I'm making my usual mistake of applying story telling and logic and character progression to WWE, where their real reason will be "because f*ck you, nerd".

[dsrchris 190]

Well...that's most likely me done. I said the Shield was the only thing keeping me watching...and then this happens. F*ck.

[Guest The Beltster]

They ditched the crappest member, plus what else was there for the Shield to do? Realistically, they've done everything they can as a group, we all knew they were going their separate ways at some point in the very near future, Ambrose's WWE magazine comments this week revealed they were splitting so its not like its some big surprise. They probably peg Reigns as future WM main eventer and WWE champion and all these guys need something to do as singles, so giving the weakest member the best heel rub is a good way to get them started.

[dsrchris 190]

I think it's more that they ALWAYS have to have someone turn on someone. Like Johnny said, I'd much prefer them to split amicably with the prospect of special one off team ups in the future.

[Guest StefanC]

All good things eventually come to an end.

In WWE logic I wouldn't be surprised if Batista came back to join the Shield to battle H and Orton.

Or it was H's plan all along to get Tista to infiltrate the Shield, who knows?

 

All I know is that from day one I knew, you knew, everyone knew the Shield would end.

In any fashion.

 

The fact that you guys start bitchin' about how and why only makes WWE's idea that greater.

Love it or hate it: it gets a reaction, and that's what WWE is all about, the bigger the reaction, the better, no matter how good or bad people think it is.

 

I think it's more that they ALWAYS have to have someone turn on someone. Like Johnny said, I'd much prefer them to split amicably with the prospect of special one off team ups in the future.

 

Yes but that's just, well...boring, isn't it?

Why would they say ok guys, we've done it all, seen it all, now I'm going here and you're going there.

And what, they ride off into the sunset?

 

At least this way they have you wondering where it's gonna go.

I want next weeks RAW to be tonight, that's why I say: keep it going!

Edited June 3, 2014 by dsrchris

[Maxximus 353]

I wouldn't be surprised if Batista came back to join the Shield

 

I would hang myself with a wireless controller</podcast plug>

[dsrchris 190]

Yes but that's just, well...boring, isn't it?

Why would they say ok guys, we've done it all, seen it all, now I'm going here and you're going there.

And what, they ride off into the sunset?

 

At least this way they have you wondering where it's gonna go.

I want next weeks RAW to be tonight, that's why I say: keep it going!

 

You say boring, but I find it more boring to have the same team split angle played out time and time again. At least an amicable split would be something a bit different, and allow for the Shield to reunite further down the line should they need to. Not everyone needs to turn on each other.

 

And I'm not bitching about the Shield, I'm bitching about the state of WWE in general. It's mostly p*ss poor.

 

Half the things they do don't make me interested in seeing what's gonna happen, they just make me want to switch the TV off.

[Guest FreeSpirit]

WWE still have the power to surprise it seems. Never saw that coming, not even when Rollins went out of the ring to get the chairs, only when Reigns and Ambrose stepped forward. Disappointed that The Shield have split, but good job by WWE on the swerve. Should be interesting to see where Rollins goes from here. Would love him to be the IC or US Champ as soon as possible.

[Guest The Beltster]

I think it's more that they ALWAYS have to have someone turn on someone. Like Johnny said, I'd much prefer them to split amicably with the prospect of special one off team ups in the future.

Yeah but if they split just as mates, we all know Roman has a main event bright future and Ambrose has a bright future, Rollins on the other hand I could easily slip into obscurity and no a great deal of **** all so why not give him the biggest shove out of the gates, he needs it more than the other 2, a good start for him. I think this is the best way with the best guy turning. It will help him more than the others.

[Guest Gomi]

Just thank god No Dallas has already debuted so we don't have to Bo-lieve in the Shield

[Guest The B-Man]

Bo Dalls for The Shield you say, man that would be awesome, lol

[Guest Jack]

I would hang myself with a wireless controller</podcast plug>

:lol

 

I don't hate Rollins turning on the other two but it depends on how it's handled from now on. I like the idea of someone from NXT being added to The Shield and it being a continuously evolving, improving group whose strength isn't in it's members but the philosophy of the group. I can't see that happening right now though but in the short term, Seth turning is refreshing and it'll be interesting to see what happens next with The Shield. I hope they don't just break the group apart because it's a good gimmick and has the potential to be around for a long time yet.

 

Steph is brilliant too. She's a great heel and becoming very natural on the mic.

[Guest John Hancock]

Yes but that's just, well...boring, isn't it?

Why would they say ok guys, we've done it all, seen it all, now I'm going here and you're going there.

And what, they ride off into the sunset?

 

We have very different definitions of the word "boring" then. I'd consider it boring that every single team has to end in the exact same way every single time.

 

It would perfectly suit the Shield gimmick for them all to agree to go their separate ways, but still keep an eye on each other. It would be refreshing and emotional to see such a beloved faction split up lovingly, like the end of an action movie, where all the heroes say goodbye to each other after a successful adventure. They tease and talk about for ages, before one last match a threesome, knowing it's the last time, agreeing that they have separate dreams as individuals they need to fulfil. That one last triple-fist bump after that last match wouldn't have left a dry eye in the arena.

[Guest fattyfudge]

Make Yoshi Tatsu the newest Shield member, have Reigns & Ambrose act like nutjobs, dying his hair blonde and calling him Seth. Problem sorted. Rollins Vs Tatsu for Wrestlemania 31 who can jump off the highest object match

[dsrchris 190]

I'm wondering (just because everything else I've wondered has kinda happened) if this could be The Shield using Seth as some kind of double agent? Like, Reigns and Ambrose take a bullet to get their guy on the inside with the boss, with the long play being a double-double cross?

 

I know, I know, I'm grasping at straws, but even the idea of having Seth Rollins turn double agent would be waaaaay more interesting than another boring break up angle.

[Guest John Hancock]

A fist full of straws, and a heart full of hope.

[Shaun2J 127]

I wouldn't have any NXT upcomer, Prince Devitt or anyone mentioned in this thread to take the third spot in the Shield. They were all about being bros and looking after each others backs and another guy just to come in doesn't fit in well with the "trust" thing they had.

 

I really hope Seth Rollins will become a smug sh*tface like HBK back in the day, just not all prancy or so. Like the time he pissed Undertaker off in that six-man tag match.

 

On the other hand, I'm calling this. Dean Ambrose to follow Rollins next week and attack Reigns.