Are UKIP As Bad As People Say?

[dsrchris 190]

...must...resist...urge to vent...

[etz 78]

It's funny how the European elections and Council elections tell two completely different stories. The news wants us to believe that the EU elections show UKIP is a player, but the reality reflected in the local elections is that they really aren't. People have voted for them in the EU election to send a message to the other parties that they aren't happy about the EU and immigration, it's essentially a protest vote.

 

Ironically, the losers of the two main parties in the local elections are the only party who have actually promised a referendum on Europe. They're also the party who have righted the economy, but, in true British form, it looks like we'll be handing the reins back to the guys who can't balance the books next time, just like we always do. It's funny that no one seems to have realised that they keep the name Labour to be ironic now. They're no more for the working class than the Tories are, really.

[Guest Ciaran The King]

No doubt this is a protest vote and Farage is gonna play it for all it's worth

[GENE 86]

General Politics thread

 

Can some explain to me what is actually wrong with UKIP?

[Maxximus 353]

I'm ignorant on the whole thing too. Sell me a side, someone.

[Guest John Hancock]

Their overt racism, sexism and homophobia for me. They're also just generally nasty. Their entire platform is based on negativity and criticising things, it's just really unpleasant. Their popularity is built on hating other people and other organisations, and I just don't think that's a particularly healthy attitude to have, politically, to run a country, or to represent a country, based entirely off of hatred and ill-will.

 

I'm ignorant on the whole thing too. Sell me a side, someone.

 

Imagine if the Tea Party fully split away from the Republicans and started running their own candidates. It's literally that, except they're winning.

Edited May 26, 2014 by John Hancock

[Maxximus 353]

Oh well, f*ck those guys then. I'm fine with blacks and beans and even the yellows. I have no problem against the gays either. Who doesn't love girl on girl porn and the gay guys leave a ton of single ladies for deviants like me to pick up on. Plus it's nice to get hit on. I don't care if a guy hits on me. I won't give him a hand jibber but it's great for my self esteem.

[Omega 354]

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/node_image/public/ukip.jpg

 

they also have had councillers expressing views such as "Gay Marriage caused the floods", "Shooting a gay person would teach other gay people not to be gay", "poofs and dykes are dirty perverts"

 

Some other good ones here:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/20/ukip-biggest-gaffes

[etz 78]

I used to wonder that until I looked into them a bit. What is wrong with UKIP is that they're literally your rich, old fashioned, racist uncle, only 10 times worse. From a social standpoint, they're ridiculously backward.

[DC 536]

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/node_image/public/ukip.jpg

 

they also have had councillers expressing views such as "Gay Marriage caused the floods", "Shooting a gay person would teach other gay people not to be gay", "poofs and dykes are dirty perverts"

 

Some other good ones here:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/20/ukip-biggest-gaffes

"poofs and dykes are dirty perverts" always makes me laugh because it inherently implies that straight people cannot be perverts.

 

From the link in Omega's post, I can remember the furore over the "compulsory abortions for foetuses with Down's syndrome or spina bifida" remark.

Edited May 26, 2014 by DC

[Guest John Hancock]

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/node_image/public/ukip.jpg

 

Whilst I agree with your general point, I'd be careful with that picture, because it's mostly just made up urban legends, and combating UKIP with made up urban legends is like trying to combat religious extremism by head butting vicars.

[Guest Boyo]

General Politics thread

 

I'm not a particularly political person (I generally vote green for national and whoever promises to repair the Swindon pot holes locally - usually Labour) but I can't help feeling that this intense, sneering, mocking bashing and mickey-taking that occurs every single day against UKIP is exactly what they want.

 

Farage goes on Question Time and he gets absolutely hammered. The whole show is a feeding frenzy when he's on it, everyone else from every other party has it easy. The host, guests and audience turn into cantankerous bullies.

 

You see stuff like Omega's posted every single day on social media, followed by another furious blitzkrieg from gnarly lefties who make comments every bit as outrageous and inaccurate as they accuse UKIP of being.

 

Makes me think a vote for UKIP probably isn't a protest vote; not voting is surely a protest vote? For me a vote for UKIP is a vote for the underdog.

 

Instead of this absurd, condescending witch hunt against Nigel Farage the opposition need to give him a fair chance to engage in intelligent debate on key issues. They're poo-scared to do so, but probably shouldn't be, as he's going to say something stupid given the chance.

 

Cheers!

[Omega 354]

Most of the links check out to be fair though of course not everything on the list is "policy" just what UKIP people have said they think is a good idea.

[Guest John Hancock]

Makes me think a vote for UKIP probably isn't a protest vote; not voting is surely a protest vote? For me a vote for UKIP is a vote for the underdog.

 

I don't think people are voting to stand up to bullies. I think if you asked people why they voted UKIP, the amount that would answer, "Because the media is bullying them" would be an average of no one.

 

It's a populist vote rather than a protest vote. The UKIP platform is unmanageable to the point of being a fantasy, fuelled entirely by fear, misinformation, prejudice and anger at the current political system. People will react to it, for better or worse, and it'll die. The media didn't help by making it a story, but that's what happens, they did it with the BNP, they did it with Islam4UK, they did it with the EDL, when the election's boring, the British media like nothing more than finding a weirdo and advertising them as much as possible.

 

The interesting thing will be what the Conservatives do. It's a cruelly underreported thing that most right-wing flare up have been defeated by the Conservatives themselves, which makes sense, seeing that they're the ones best placed to pull people more to the centre, in the way that any nastily communist parties would be best countered by Labour. If the Conservatives play up to UKIP by becoming more nationalist, that won't be very much fun for anyone, but, if they counter them, and bring them, and, more importantly, their supporters, back into the centre by just absolutely going to war, in the way that guys like Rahm Emmanuel rallied the Democrats around Obama after Clinton dropped out of the running, then UKIP could be dead by the next major election cycle in the way the BNP is.

[Guest John Hancock]

Most of the links check out to be fair though of course not everything on the list is "policy" just what UKIP people have said they think is a good idea.

 

The thingy says "policies proposed", and, under that criteria, only six of them are true.

[Omega 354]

The thingy says "policies proposed", and, under that criteria, only six of them are true.

 

Look, does it give the flavour of the party to Maxx or not? I doubt he's interested enough to read through their manifesto.... if they have one. :)

[ViciousPrism 177]

For Maxx

 

[Maxximus 353]

I'm currently reading the Santa Barbara massacre f*ckhead's manifesto. So yeah, I don't mind reading the ramblings of crazy people.

 

 

For Maxx

 

 

Ohhhhh! So they're trolls then. If that's the case then yeah I'd totally vote UKIP.

[dsrchris 190]

For Maxx

 

 

The German Shepherd and Amazing Dancers ones had me rolling for hours. :lol

[GENE 86]

General Politics thread

 

How many members on the board actually voted on Thursday?

[Guest John Hancock]

Nope, but I'm not really complaining that they won either, just pointing out why I don't like them.

[Guest Boyo]

I did :).

 

Cheers!

[The Fury 65]

I couldn't cause of 24 hour shift :(

[Shaun2J 127]

Surely you're entitled to request a postal vote before the deadline?

[Omega 354]

I have to admit that I didn't due to working late and then not summoning the energy to drag myself to the local polling place, which is no excuse really and I'm sure some f*cknut or other will say I have no right to complain if I didn't vote but I'm only complaining about the people who voted UKIP not for any other party I wouldn't personally vote for so...