Has Adam Rose Already Failed?

[Guest Dave7g]

The Adam Rose thing is painful to watch, it's so bad it's horrible. When the announcers start dancing and having a "good time" my skin crawls. I hope to God it doesn't get over.

[Guest Magic]

Don't be a lemon Dave!

[Guest Dave7g]

I'd very much prefer to be a lemon this time!

[dsrchris 190]

I think they messed up by not giving him a HUGE party posse. For some godforsaken reason they thought they could get away with using the same amount of people they use in NXT on a much, much bigger stage so it looked a little underwhelming.

 

I still think there's something to the gimmick, but after the weeks of hype they kinda shot themselves in the foot at WWE by not making it as effective as it could have been.

[Guest John Hancock]

I think they messed up by not giving him a HUGE party posse. For some godforsaken reason they thought they could get away with using the same amount of people they use in NXT on a much, much bigger stage so it looked a little underwhelming.

 

That's exactly what I thought. It looked so small time. He's supposed to be this wild socialite party guy, but I'm pretty sure I could throw a bigger party than that on about ten minutes notice on a Tuesday night. You're right that they needed, like, everyone backstage in the WWE who isn't a wrestler to be out there with him. Get the writers out, get the road agents out, get arena security out, get the gaffers out, get the pyro guys out, get everyone out there, at least for the debut. How great would it have been to have spotted William Regel or Pat Paterson in the background going mental? The commentators could have made a thing of spotting people like that, like Adam Rose is so much fun that he'd got all these backstage guys caught up in his party and it was kicking off. As it was, it was just some weirdo and his five mates and no one cared.

 

Also, LOL @ Fandango for getting the "soccer sing-a-long music" over and now WWE have nicked the idea and given it to someone else. I have no doubt that the music will get over, because it seems entirely designed for that reason, but I'm not so sure about the character.

Edited May 7, 2014 by John Hancock

[Chris2K 176]

If his old music was being used he would be over immediately.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe :(.

Edited May 7, 2014 by Chris2K

[dsrchris 190]

Yeah, for anyone who hasn't seen it, it actually worked really well on NXT with the original music (sorry for the quality, but it's the only one I can find on YouTube):

 

[video=youtube;bjcIzc818Bg]

 

It seems to me like he put a load of effort into getting his gimmick down with the music and stuff, practiced loads out on the NXT house shows to have his entrance down pat, and now they've changed it to a soundalike it seems to have thrown him off. During the entrance he never seems quite sure where the "YEAH!" bit is gonna be kicking in, whereas that original "WOOO!" stuff was bang on time with the music and fitted so much better.

 

I wouldn't say he's failed yet, but if they insist on having Michael Cole dance like he did on Raw each week I'm gonna get real tired of it real fast.

 

For anyone who reads TWOStars, I kinda envisioned the Exotic Express like the old PTParties from back in the day, where no-one really mentions a party is gonna be happening, it just starts up and drags everyone into it. Like J-Rock said, if they made a point of having people unable to resist the allure of an Adam Rose party and you have EVERYONE end up following him to the ring, that could be quite something.

[Guest John Hancock]

I will pay hard cash if for a recording of what Vince was screaming in Michael Cole's headphones when he was telling him to dance like that.

[ViciousPrism 177]

[video=youtube;R90_HNF6_CQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R90_HNF6_CQ

 

Better quality. :xyx

[Guest Ciaran The King]

I don't even think his original music could have helped him on Raw

[dsrchris 190]

I will pay hard cash if for a recording of what Vince was screaming in Michael Cole's headphones when he was telling him to dance like that.

 

"DAMNIT COLE, DANCE!! DANCE HARDER, YOU'RE A ROSEBUD, NOT A GODDAMN LEMON!!

 

Now where's my cocaine?!"

[Guest John Hancock]

H-H-HE'S GUNNA DANCE! HE'S GUUUUUUNNA DANCE!

[DC 536]

I said to Becky when it cut to Cole dancing that there are few things that can make something uncool quicker than him joining in.

[Guest RatedR]

Is Adam Rose supposed to "succeed" in the first place? I mean, how far can you go with his gimmick? I don't think they see him as a future World Champion, but more as another mid-card character that can be used in comedy segments with Santino, Los Matadores, Zeb etc. To quote Triple H, he could be yet another "flavor of the month" at best. Rose can potentially get to Fandango's post-WrestleMania 29 level of popularity if he's really lucky and his entrance theme gets over with the fans. He should be considered a success if he makes it because he can't get any further than that in my opinion. And right now he doesn't even seem too close to becoming the next Fandango.

 

It seems to me that right now the WWE are trying to force us to like certain people just because they're building them in a similar way to other people who naturally got over. First, there were the reports they wanted to keep Cesaro a heel on purpose just to make fans cheer him even more, similar to Daniel Bryan getting more and more over after every time they screwed him. Now they debut this funny character with a catchy theme hoping for a similar reaction to the Fandangoing. The only thing is, Daniel Bryan & Fandango's song becoming popular both weren't forced processes.

Edited May 8, 2014 by RatedR

[Guest John Hancock]

I think you're right in that that's what they're going for with the Fandango thing. I think the entire gimmick is based around the hope that he'll go viral in some form, and that'll be... good?

 

Also, is it just me, or is his gimmick basically just post-VMAs Milly Cyrus?

[ViciousPrism 177]

I believe his gimmick is based off Russell Brand.

[DC 536]

It seems to me that right now the WWE are trying to force us to like certain people just because they're building them in a similar way to other people who naturally got over.

I don't think it's that at all because Big E., Emma and Adam Rose got over in NXT without the fans being forced to like them.

 

The problem is that WWE appear to be assuming that the main fan-base will already be aware of these people from NXT and, as such, assume their NXT-level popularity will automatically transfer over. Unfortunately, they are being proven wrong because the RAW / Smackdown fans in the US have not been able to watch NXT until very recently.

 

What should have happened is that WWE put a recap-style segment on RAW and Smackdown to show what was happening on NXT each week and / or have a segment profiling someone from NXT in which the fans get to know who they are, why we should like them, or dislike them if they are heels, but want to see them either way.

 

At the moment, I, dsrchris and some others are getting excited for those like Emma and Adam Rose coming up, but others like J-Rock who don't watch NXT are suddenly presented with this character they are expected to be aware of and understand why WWE feels should be winning them over from day one.

 

For example, Emma's character evolved over a number of months to the point her bumbling ways, her dancing and her bubbles were super-over in the NXT arena (and to most of those who watched the show), but she was just put on RAW fully formed and everyone was expected to have known about the development that took place on NXT instead of wondering who this Aussie woman who can't dance is.

 

In a different way, Big E. Langston was amazing on NXT, but in WWE they changed his awesome entrance theme, stripped him of his "FIVE" gimmick and pretty much robbed him all his charisma to leave him a shell of what he can be.

 

It sucks.

[dsrchris 190]

I don't think it's that at all because Big E., Emma and Adam Rose got over in NXT without the fans being forced to like them.

 

The problem is that WWE appear to be assuming that the main fan-base will already be aware of these people from NXT and, as such, assume their NXT-level popularity will automatically transfer over. Unfortunately, they are being proven wrong because the RAW / Smackdown fans in the US have not been able to watch NXT until very recently.

 

What should have happened is that WWE put a recap-style segment on RAW and Smackdown to show what was happening on NXT each week and / or have a segment profiling someone from NXT in which the fans get to know who they are, why we should like them, or dislike them if they are heels, but want to see them either way.

 

At the moment, I, dsrchris and some others are getting excited for those like Emma and Adam Rose coming up, but others like J-Rock who don't watch NXT are suddenly presented with this character they are expected to be aware of and understand why WWE feels should be winning them over from day one.

 

For example, Emma's character evolved over a number of months to the point her bumbling ways, her dancing and her bubbles were super-over in the NXT arena (and to most of those who watched the show), but she was just put on RAW fully formed and everyone was expected to have known about the development that took place on NXT instead of wondering who this Aussie woman who can't dance is.

 

In a different way, Big E. Langston was amazing on NXT, but in WWE they changed his awesome entrance theme, stripped him of his "FIVE" gimmick and pretty much robbed him all his charisma to leave him a shell of what he can be.

 

It sucks.

 

This. It's not the NXT guys themselves, it's the way WWE are attempting to transition them to the main shows. They got it pretty much spot on with Wyatt, but he had the kind of character they could just drop in to Raw and have him get over, a lot of the other folks are gonna need something to let the fans know why they should cheer/boo them.

[Guest John Hancock]

Yeah, that's a good point. I watch no NXT at all, I don't even watch Smackdown, so these people mean absolutely nothing to me. Emma is a mentally ill child with weird arms, Adam Rose is a guy, creepily-too-old-to-like-the-things-he-does Miley Cyrus who organises tiny parties, Big E is a transexual (ftm) bodybuilder. That's all they are. That's also all The Shield or the Wyatt's did too, but they connected with me because they did things, and they formed their characters as real people, they did something interesting to grab my attention and my interest, and then they used that connection to grow on RAW, where I could see them. As a RAW viewer, what do I know about Adam Rose? What did all those vignettes teach me? He has a bus? He likes lollypops? You compare that to the Shield run ins, or the Wyatt teases, or even the Bo-lieve infomercials, and you see why they've completely failed to build up his debut in a way that the majority of the audience would care about.

[DC 536]

The Shield were never a group on NXT, so they've been built up from their WWE main-roster debut only.

 

On the NXT shows, Dean Ambrose did virtually nothing, Roman Reigns did literally nothing and only Rollins (who was the first NXT Champion) had any kind of traction at the point The Shield debuted at Survivor Series.

[Guest John Hancock]

See, that shows how much I know. I assumed they'd formed on NXT because I knew all the individual guys were over there.

[Maxximus 353]

Why couldn't they have one NXT match on raw or something? Take a couple of guys who are ready to make the transition and feature them on raw for a few weeks to see how the big crowds react to them. Like replacing wcw's cruiserweights with NXT.

[ViciousPrism 177]

The Shield were never a group on NXT, so they've been built up from their WWE main-roster debut only.

 

On the NXT shows, Dean Ambrose did virtually nothing, Roman Reigns did literally nothing and only Rollins (who was the first NXT Champion) had any kind of traction at the point The Shield debuted at Survivor Series.

 

Other way around. Dean did literally nothing, Roman did virtually nothing.

[Guest Ciaran The King]

Although Ambrose did nothing WWE were always going to use him due to what he has done and will do, Rollins was a good talent who I think WWE wanted to test first with the NXT title and Reigns no matter was always gonna get a chance based on looks alone

[etz 78]

I think the important thing to bear in mind here is that despite the few damp squibs, NXT is paying off in droves for WWE talent-wise. Guys like the Shield and the Wyatts are getting over because they're ready and comfortable in a WWE ring, working a WWE match and they don't need much, if any, carrying from anyone.