ViciousPrism Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 - WWE has released Chris Spradlin from his developmental deal this past week. He was known as Kassius Ohno on NXT and Chris Hero before joining WWE. Lords of Pain Such a disappointment. Reports are that he was released yesterday while waiting to start that days training at the Performance Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 F*ckin' called it. Good give me back MY HERO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Inevitable really. Shame, I would have liked to have seen the Kings team up in WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fury Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Yeah as soon as the news came out his push was stopped that was it, real shame as I would've love to see em called up to main roster But Maximus was right with convos me him and Matt had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Shame, he would have rocked it on the main shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I'm glad. He's nowhere near suitable for the WWE, even in 2013 where standards have slipped to an unprecedented low level. His level is in the indies, dropping people on their heads and doing cute FIGHTING SPIRIT!!! spots in front of 200 fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I just watched his last match on NXT and the guy was worse than I remember. He wrestlers like he's a 14 year old's CAW on one of the SmackDown! games. It's terrible. It might be suited for the indy scene but he's a million miles away from being good enough for the WWE. Some idiot (I think from PWInsider) compared his wrestling style to a young Barry Windham and his promo style to a young Mick Foley :lol Yeah, I remember the good old days when guys like Windham used to no sell in meaningless matches, couldn't strike and couldn't do the basics like running to the ropes... Hero's level is with other useless wrestlers like Quackenbush, Kingston, Super Dragon and the like. The handful of fans at those shows buy into the shitty Dragonball Z routines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) What was no selling about the Brodie match? It was a balls-out beat the crap out of each other match, in the same style as has been seen all over NXT and WWE. And Ohno was selling for most of it if I recall correctly. So much so that when he got that one hope spot and nearfall the announcers started literally screaming. This is neither here nor there because I wouldn't compare the two in anything other than body shape, but Barry Windham absolutely used to no sell shit. He's one of the most overrated wrestlers I've ever seen. Also, have you watched some Sami Zayn matches yet? Edited November 12, 2013 by Jimmy Redman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'm glad. He's nowhere near suitable for the WWE, even in 2013 where standards have slipped to an unprecedented low level I'm guessing his confidence and self belief may have suffered since entering WWE/NXT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prentiss213 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Got caught in the Triple H - steroids or bust - buzz saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 What was no selling about the Brodie match? It was a balls-out beat the crap out of each other match, in the same style as has been seen all over NXT and WWE. And Ohno was selling for most of it if I recall correctly. So much so that when he got that one hope spot and nearfall the announcers started literally screaming.There were a few different moves but off the top of my head, when his opponent had Hero stood up and out on his feet, then as he ran to the ropes, so did Hero, completely no selling the daze he'd been in a second ago. The way he hit the rolling elbow was rubbish too, again, because he wasn't selling properly, and there were a few other things about his work in the match that annoyed me, though I'd have to watch it again to specify those. I don't mind tough, back and forth, hard hitting matches but that isn't what Hero does. There's that, and then there's refusing to sell properly because you want the 'surprising comeback out of nowhere' spots that are usually reserved for The Undertaker matches at WrestleMania. When it's an irrelevant match on a show that nobody cares about, things like that have no meaning. There's a time and place for that style of wrestling and it's not something which always works. Rather than it telling a story of a war, I'd say it's just selfish bullshit from a guy who wants to get himself over rather than making the opponent look good. Also, have you watched some Sami Zayn matches yet? Nah, I've not, unfortunately. I will check him out sometime though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I can agree that Hero can work in the way in which you describe, especially since it's such an indy staple, but I just disagree that the Brodie match in particular was especially egregious. I felt in general that he sold well throughout that, mainly because Brodie kept kicking the shit out of him, and the few hope spots he had (even if they technically involved 'no selling') were rare enough, timed well enough, and were immediately followed by Brodie kicking his face off again, that they worked. 'No selling' isn't a uniformly bad thing across the board. There are times when it works in the context of someone having a burst of energy/being suitably provoked/staging a Hulk Up or Superman comeback. You don't have to be dead all the time to be selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 That's why it's called fighting spirito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 on a show that nobody cares about.You lost me at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Didn't Hero fail because of failing to look how WWE wanted him too look? Which I find Ironic when you have Bray Wyatt on TV every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Bray Wyatt looks exactly as WWE want him to look, and exactly how he's supposed to look for his character, is the key difference there. And apparently it wasn't so much his figure as much as his attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I've got no problem with Bray or how anyone really looks, I hate the fact that WWE expects superstars to look a certain way. It's just from what I read that WWE seemed unhappy with his attitude towards getting into proper physical condition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 WWE is a cosmetic product, there's no getting around that. What I've been hearing isn't that his physique was the problem as much as his attitude regarding his physique. It wasn't as important to look good as much as being seen to be trying to look good. Not making that effort paints you as lazy and uncooperative, which is going to get you nowhere in WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 You would have thought after all the trouble he had trying to get signed he would have done all he could to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxximus Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I knew from the beginning Chris Hero was never gonna be a wwe guy. I had my hopes but I knew it wouldn't go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 It's a shame as I would have liked to have seen how he would have got on once he made it to the main shows. The potential feuds and scenarios were endless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 'No selling' isn't a uniformly bad thing across the board. There are times when it works in the context of someone having a burst of energy/being suitably provoked/staging a Hulk Up or Superman comeback. You don't have to be dead all the time to be selling. I agree, though I think it's been massively overused, especially on the indy scene, and should be reserved for the biggest matches of the year. Every time WrestleMania comes around, you can guarantee that The Undertaker and his opponent will end up kicking out of moves which were heavily protected a few years ago, but it works because of the occasion and the magnitude of the matches. It can be effective and add to the matches but that doesn't mean it can add to every match that the tactic is used in. When I stopped watching ROH, part of the reason I did was because the first match of the night would be plagued by no-selling and it had a massively detrimental effect on the rest of the show because nothing was being put into perspective; you need the finishers to be protected for 99% of the time, so on that rare occasion when a guy does kick out of finisher or do a 'fighting spirit' spot, it means something. It's shocking and sucks you into the match but if it's being overused, it then means nothing. It should be a rare spot, used in a handful of matches each year in the entire industry. For a guy like Hero to be doing these same spots in irrelevant matches has a detrimental effect on the rest of the product the WWE puts out. It's like blood. I'd love to see blood brought back for maybe three or four matches a year in the WWE, to add some violence to major matches but that was also been used far too often during the mid/late 90s, to a point where it started to become nothing. It's something which can be an excellent addition to a match but when it gets used regularly, it means less and less, and then when it's needed to add another layer of storytelling to a big match, it just doesn't because the fans are so used to it. Like I said in a previous post, there's a time and place for all these things and an irrelevant match on NXT is neither of those. When wrestlers do sh*t like this, it stinks of them being far more concerned about themselves, rather than their opponent, the show or even the industry as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Didn't Hero fail because of failing to look how WWE wanted him too look? Which I find Ironic when you have Bray Wyatt on TV every week Bray Wyatt has a great look though whereas Hero looks like your average fan in the crowd. He cuts promos about knocking people out, yet there's nothing even slightly intimating about the way he looks. He doesn't look tough, strong, fast, hard hitting...there's just nothing there at all. He looks like a wimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViciousPrism Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 You don't have to be Arnie to knock someone out. See Joey Styles knocking out JBL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Of course not, but wrestling isn't legitimate and it's easier to get a guy over if they look right. Hero might be able to knock out Lesnar in 15 seconds but that doesn't make a difference to he fan watching at home who thinks they could take him because he looks soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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