TPIB Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 http://www.talkwrestlingonline.com/images/shows/raw2012.png When United States: LIVE, Monday Night, Sept. 23, at 8/7c on the USA Network United Kingdom: Tuesday Morning, Sept. 24, at 1AM on SkySportsHD3 Venue Allstate Arena in Chicago, IL Confirmed Matches/Events Build to WWE Battleground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSpirit Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Haha Steph is absolute gold on the mic, I love her so much these days :lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 The faces eliminating Reigns was ****ING AWESOME! Bryan with the hot tag and then the double whammy by the Usos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRM Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 What the heck was Ryder doing after getting pinned? Sat up like the Undertaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Doing a Hercules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Hate Ryder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENE Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I hate Ricardo Rodriguez and everything he is involved in. That is all :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Th amount of rubes on the internet complaining about the booking of this show, "Why was it 11-on-3 to the faces? Why did they screw the Shield? Why did the faces have the advantage?" blah blah blah bullshit just makes me cry in despair at the state of people. Have you not been watching the God damn shows? Christ on a bike. Nobody in this thread obviously. I've just seen it elsewhere and I need to vent at some people being so tragically dense. Also, everyone and everything rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 To be honest the 11 faces v 3 heels was stupid, doesn't make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 It made PERFECT sense. Last week you get the first sign of babyface resistance, a bit of the "anarchy" that Hunter admitted was the absolute last thing he wanted or needed. He isn't going to fire half the babyface roster, so he needs a way to get the rebels under control. This ENTIRE angle has been about Hunter trying to get the whole roster under control to do what he wants when he wants it so the WWE Machine can run smoothly and everyone is happy ever after. He's not an evil person, really, he just has a very definite vision and wants his roster to be acquiescent puppets. Cogs in the machine. So come Smackdown, when he swans in as the White Knight saving the rebels from Vickie's unfair punishment, it is clear that his solution is to kill them with kindness. He can't punish them outright, he needs to assuage them, manipulate them, soften them up so they will be pliable. He needs them to believe that things will be fine if they just sit down and shut up, in order to get them to sit down and shut up. So no punishment, in fact he's going to give them "opportunities" that make them feel as though they are being treated fairly. On Smackdown he gives Gabes and Zack, starved for bookings, a match on SD. He gives RVD the World Title rematch that he deserves. He gives Bryan and the Usos an even fight with the Shield. Now, Gabes and Zack being DESTROYED by the Wyatts, RVD being blindsided by Alberto seconds later, they are of course COMPLETE COINCIDENCES that have nothing to do with Hunter. But, as if by magic, three of the dissidents are put in their place before the night is over. Bryan and the Usos might have been too (how many times does the Shield ever lose, even 3-on-3?) but for Bryan being DANIEL MOFOING BRYAN and leading them to victory. The point is, Hunter is playing the long game. Trying to manipulate the babyfaces back into line, instead of beating them into line, a path which only caused open rebellion. Now, to come to Raw, he has to go with something more circumspect. In the opening segment he tries his best to get in their heads. He suggests that their rebellion had NOTHING to do with Bryan, points out how weird it is for them to be fighting for a guy who has the top spot that they all want for themselves, and then leaves with the aside that "I hope he fights for you like you fight for him." He tries to subtly turn them against Bryan, make them question their own motives. He backs this up by once again being magnanimous and basically serving the Shield up to them on a silver platter, and in doing so tries to shift the focus of their anger to the Shield and away from the Mac Mans. See, we're good guys! We will give you the matches you want! Don't hate us, our intentions are good! Kill them with kindness. Now, Kofi's arm being torn out by Alberto, RVD being ANNIHILATED by Orton, the PTPs being beat down by the Wyatts, they are of course COMPLETE COINCIDENCES that have nothing to do with Hunter. But, as if by magic, four of the 11 are worn down and injured before they get to the main event. The Shield are almost untouchable in multi-man matches, so even with 3 of them vs 7 healthy guys and 4 injured guys, the Shield still feels dangerous and they eliminate a LOT of guys. When Rollins is down 1 vs 4, the Shield HAPPEN TO come out and help him. Complete coincidence. It's not like Hunter made it too easy for the faces. Just easy enough to buy what Hunter is selling. So by the end of the night, a bunch of guys are injured, a bunch of guys are beaten, a bunch of guys are pinned, but hey, they won the match! They ended Raw! They can celebrate! (Well...Bryan can. By himself.) Yippee! See, the Mac Mans regime isn't so bad is it? How can it be, with moments like this?! Buying the support of the rebellious faces for the price of one bad night for the Shield (like Hunter and Steph REALLY give a sh*t about the Shield guys?) is an easy, easy choice for them to make. They are playing the long game. They need everyone under control. This is how they do it. Kill them with kindness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fury Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Agreed with redman, it made sense Also love Steph on mic, miz looked good for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgehead Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Really enjoyed the main event, The Shield were awesome & yeah it makes perfect sense that HHH did it to quell the locker room rebellion. Roman Reigns pinned for the first time!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I feel like this show needed more HHH and Steph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsrchris Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Is it right that Steph blatantly had her lines written on her hand during her promo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruderz Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Did anyone else notices Big Show's lack of any sign of hesitation when he knocked out Miz? Could that be going somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Quite possibly. Maybe it was because Miz was blasting him for being a coward before it happened? Maybe nobody likes The Miz? Or maybe he is finally cracking and realising that if you can't cry and plead with them, join them, to make his life easier. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hancock Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Who wouldn't want to punch The Miz though? That should be the angle, that stuff that's really traumatic to do to normal people is absolutely fine when you do it to The Miz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgehead Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I'd pay good money to punch The Miz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun2J Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I think it was more of a "Let's get this over with" punch. It's routine now, at first he was hesitant and of course he didn't want to blast Dusty but now he didn't want to get into much bother. I'm hoping guys, I just don't want Big Show to turn heel again and say he played with the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 That main event was great and Roman Reigns' Spear-a-Thon was brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran The King Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Finally got round to watching Raw, Orton was on top form and the main event was epic. The Shield stood out for me as except for Bryan and RVD the faces suck. Reigns was on top form and should have survived, his series of spears was amazing, booked correctly Reigns has a bright future. When it came down to Seth on his own I really wanted him to survive against the faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH-Evolution Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Is it right that Steph blatantly had her lines written on her hand during her promo? I actually feel that fits her current heel status, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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