Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

[DC 536]

"When the character resurfaced in 2002 in The Ultimates, he had been redesigned to look like actor Samuel L. Jackson. Jackson did not originally give his consent for Marvel Comics to use his likeness in their redesign of the Fury character for The Ultimates, and first appeared with this revised look in The Ultimates #1, as drawn by Bryan Hitch. The similarity is even noted within the comic itself, in a scene in which the Ultimates discuss who they think should play each of them in a hypothetical movie about the team. Fury's answer for himself is "Mr. Samuel L. Jackson, of course, no discussion." It was only after seeing the redesigned Nick Fury in the first issue of The Ultimates that Samuel L. Jackson learned of the use of his likeness and contacted Marvel in order to secure the role of Nick Fury in any future movies which will feature the character."

 

Credit: Wiki

Edited December 6, 2013 by DC

[etz 78]

Movies stand alone from their source work, for the most part, so I don't care if a fictional character is black one place and white another or whatever. They don't actually exist, so they don't actually have a race. Even if they did, it's not a huge issue.

 

Take Schindlers List. Ben Kingsley isn't a Jew or Polish, he's a Gujurati Indian. Yet it's not exactly a problem.

 

In fact, the biggest complaint I have of anything remotely of this type is that it's slightly annoying that Hobbits weren't portrayed by dwarves.

[Guest Eddie]

I kind of chuckled at the thought of Idris Elba playing Lex Luther thinking it was someone getting mixed up as he plays a character called John Luther In the series Luther. However I wouldn't be against him playing Lex Luther as well he's a fine actor. Can't see it happening though.

[Guest The Beltster]

with Luther, why couldn't he be black?

Because he's white, thats why. There doesn't need to be any better reason than that. He is white.

 

If I created a character and then somebody else came along later and changed his ethnicity for no reason, I'd be pretty pissed off. If Lex Luthor was meant to be black, Jerry Siegal and Joe Shuster would have created him black. And its no difference from Bond at all, he's white, Luthor is white. Backstory about the family tree of a fictional character doesn't matter, the people who created him created him as a white man, so he should be portrayed by a white man. Why change it aside from doing it just to do it, which is the reason this reeks of.

 

I hate when they do this shit with anything because its altering what the creator chose, I dont like it, pointless. I dont remember which character it was but they changed the character from a man to a woman in a film and I'm sat there wondering whats the f*cking point?! Just stick with what the person who imagined them up in the first place imagined them to be.

 

And from reading your post, you seem to be insinuating that I'm only annoyed because a white guy has been re-cast/re-imaged black, which in turn would make out that I'm a racist or something...if thats what you think I'm saying, you're getting the wrong end of the stick. Like I said earlier, Orlando Bloom as Shaft would be just as wretched and stupid, it has nothing to do with which race they are changing into another, just that they are changing it at all for no reason when that character has always been what they are. If they re-booted the A-Team again and B.A was white, it would be bent! Who would wanna see that shit?! Nobody.

Edited December 6, 2013 by The Beltster

[Paul 584]

I don't care either way, things change from source material to the screen all the time. Though Lex is one of the few comic characters I have never seen anywhere shown as black.

[Guest The Beltster]

If you clowns get your way this is what's coming:

 

http://www.theamericanjerk.com/images/7-2006/7-10-2006/IndianSuperman.jpg

 

Indian Superman is so shote he has to use the telephone.

 

http://www.stomptokyo.com/sings/superman/img/hair5a.jpg

 

But he's bagged himself Spiderman and Spiderman wants him so bad she's abandoned her secret identity:

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NxUfZADuPBo/TUd4NEteQVI/AAAAAAAAAcs/4x6HcsmXiBU/s1600/superman-spiderlady.png

 

Hor-ren-dus!

[Guest John Hancock]

And from reading your post, you seem to be insinuating that I'm only annoyed because a white guy has been re-cast/re-imaged black, which in turn would make out that I'm a racist or something...if thats what you think I'm saying, you're getting the wrong end of the stick.

 

No, not at all, I'm saying racial recasting happens all the time, even in situations that are based on real people, and it's never really been an issue, let alone when it's based on a comic book character.

 

Shaft and B.A. and all those are different, they're, for lack of a better term, black characters, they're, like, enshrined in blackness. As I said, I wouldn't want to see a black James Bond, or a black Superman, or a black Batman, or a black Spiderman, or any of those characters where their whiteness is, like, a thing, like a part of their image, even a minor part, or a part of their character, but I just don't really see the difference between a white Lex Luther and a black Lex Luther, his race never seemed important to me. And who knows, maybe they are changing it for a reason, maybe there's a motive, maybe it's a play on Barack Obama, or a way of making Luther obviously self-made, instead of an "old money" guy like Batman because a black American billionaire is instantly identifiable as a self-made billionaire, so it's a back-story shortcut, or a way of explaining why he's got such a stupid Lashawnda-y name, or something like that, who knows, maybe they were just the best three actors who auditioned. Either way, I just don't really see the problem.

[dsrchris 190]

Well there is a Black Spiderman. Miles Morales, the new(ish) Ultimate Spiderman.

 

I stopped reading when they made the switch, but that's more to do with me thinking it went a bit sh*t with no Peter Parker.

[DC 536]

Kingpin was changed to a black man and Michael Clarke Duncan was perfect in the role (for me, anyway).

[Guest John Hancock]

Maybe I should have said making Peter Parker black. They can, and invariably do, stick the costumes on whoever they like. Is Peter Parker still dead in comic book world?

 

Kingpin was changed to a black man and Michael Clarke Duncan was perfect in the role (for me, anyway).

 

Nothing was perfect about Daredevil. Nothing.

[Paul 584]

Lots of superheroes and villains have black counterparts in alternate universes, Lex is one of the few who hasn't (that Im aware of anyway :lol).

[Guest John Hancock]

Is he supposed to be black in the Justice League cartoon?

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Hype1/STAS_Luthor.jpg

[Paul 584]

Im not sure, nobody seems to know if hes meant to be black or not in that. All I could find (I just went a-looking) was that its based on Telly Savalas (Greek), so maybe its meant to be slightly swarthy Mediterranean type? Would you call that black? I wouldn't, but what do I know anymore? :lol

[Guest John Hancock]

Personally, I'd consider anyone who's family isn't English speaking, fair skinned and Protestant to be black.

[Paul 584]

Like the Pope? I like that idea, so many minds would explode. :lol

[Guest John Hancock]

He's swarthy, SWARTHY I SAY!

[Guest The Beltster]

Well there is a Black Spiderman. Miles Morales, the new(ish) Ultimate Spiderman.

 

I stopped reading when they made the switch, but that's more to do with me thinking it went a bit sh*t with no Peter Parker.

You dont like Superior Spiderman?

[Paul 584]

That legit makes me think of Nazi Spiderman.

[Maxximus 353]

They should make Aquaman a black.

[Paul 584]

Blaquaman?

[Guest John Hancock]

They should make Aquaman a black.

 

*black people can't swim joke*

[Maxximus 353]

They should make Aquaman a black.

 

*black people can't swim joke*

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/VAj7LwW.gif

[dsrchris 190]

You dont like Superior Spiderman?

 

Haven't read it yet. My love of Ol' Webhead has been flagging in recent years since they've done stupid things with the story.

 

The whole mindwipe/storyline reset was really badly handled, then the Ultimate Universe just flat out killed Peter Parker off so I've laid off Spidey for a while.

 

Is Superior Spider-Man any good then?

[Guest Yodahew]

Im two books into ultimate spiderman and i gotta say i love it. Iv got the first three ultimate comics spiderman and they are good as well. Miles is a different spidey with different powers. Iv got ultimate spidey 1-20 and ultimatium onwards.

[dsrchris 190]

I collected all the TPBs for Ultimate Spiderman from the original hardcover all the way through to the Death of Peter Parker. I just can't go along with anyone other that Petey being Spiderman. It just feels...wrong?

 

Although, they do still have one of his clones running round as Spidergirl (or whatever they're referring to her as now), so there's a possibility for bringing Pete back at some point...