Psychic Paranormal Stuff

[Guest Jamster26]

I was watching a few shows about Psychic Mediums supposedly contacting people from the beyond the grave. I think that Derek Acorah got sussed out on a Most Haunted episode, yet there are signs that what Mediums say, are true.

 

What are your views on physics, ghost sightings etc? Do you think it's accurate or it's all fake/ misleading.

 

A few people have said that they believe in ghosts but refute the claim, that they believe in things that are supernatural.

[Paul 584]

I want to believe, but I dont. Load of old b*llocks and frauds.

 

Ghosts, maybe, in a way, possibly.

[Maxximus 353]

I've experienced cold spots the feeling of being watched, especially while I sleep, missing items when I just had them in hand, strange noises and I've even heard my name whispered in quite a few houses I've lived in. Quite a few, but not all. In every case, I've felt uncomfortable as soon as I've entered a home like this. I don''t know, nor can I prove that it's paranormal activity or just me. One good indicator is that I haven't been the only one these things have happened to.

 

Pueblo has a history of a lot of ghost activity. The local police even have a group of researchers they talk to from time to time about certain parts of town. The Rocky Mountain Paranormal Society.

 

Until there is absolute proof otherwise. I believe in ghosts. Childish maybe, but I've seen some weird shit as far back as I can remember.

 

I'm with Darkstar on the mediums. I want to believe but I don't. They're frauds and grifters. Especially the ones you see on television. What they do is a very clever illusion by asking vague questions and then zeroing in on their mark.

[Guest John Hancock]

Don't believe in a single word of it. Of all the stuff I've said about religion, it has nothing, NOTHING, on how much I don't believe complete, medieval, anecdotal, old wive's tale, "I got a weird feeling~" balls like this.

 

Ghosts and aliens and vampires and zombies and angels and dragons and fairies and werewolves and yetis and f*cking ogres or whatever, I think are complete rubbish, but, whatever, if that's what people think, it's not hurting anyone, but psychics make me angry, because they make money, sometimes lots of money, by openly lying to upset people about their loved ones, and, by extension, people who believe in them annoy me because they're funding an industry based on giving advise and information under false pretences which is either inane, or entirely made up.

[Guest Anime Otaku]

I'm with J H, except for the aliens. I believe that there is other sentient life out there somewhere. Also my Mum and Dad saw a UFO when I was younger and neither one was under the influence at the time. Weather they abduct people or have formal contact with us though is another matter that I have my doubts about.

[Guest John Hancock]

I believe in aliens existing somewhere as a matter of probability, but I don't believe they've ever been to Earth.

[Guest Reno]

WAYNE once saw a pair of trousers spinning in his closet. No wind.

 

Just spinning.

[Maxximus 353]

Is it possible that the closet WAYNE opened was either his washer or dryer?

 

Never mind. We're talking about Waybe.

 

[insert Chris Rock video here]

[etz 78]

I don't so much believe or disbelieve as I am stumped by how it could possibly be relevant to our lives in any way. At least for most of the supernatural. I don't dismiss the possibility out-of-hand, but I don't actively believe in it. Then again, I'm a great believer in the idea that humans are, at very least, the first monsters and most likely the only ones.

 

But mediums..... while it's not inconceivable that their might be somebody with that kind of ability..... they're all con-men.

 

I do give credence to some ghosts or some energy though, if only because ****ing Super Mario Brothers haunted our house. I'm not even kidding, we'd all be standing outside the room, listening to that irritating music and the coins going ding...ding , to the point we even tested things like if we all heard the coins at the same time, how many coins in a given period etc.... only to enter the room and nothing... TV and SNES both stone cold, SMB cartridge in another freaking room... just weird ass shit. And we're not talking a british terrace house here, our neighbours were far enough we couldn't hear their screaming matches until they came into their yard. Plus, we were the "rich" people, we were the only ones with a SNES for 5 streets, at least. I've never had a satisfactory explanation for that shit and it bugs me to this day. Temporal audio distortion is my current theory based on nothing but that it's at least vaguely possible scientifically.

 

And yet, for all of that, I still think death is just death. You're here and then you're gone. Maybe you might leave some as yet unexplained echo on the fabric of reality if the circumstances align, but in all probability you just fade away into nothing. And is that really so bad, compared to an eternity of being? I don't think so.

Edited September 5, 2011 by etz

[Guest BratSan]

I don't believe in ghosts or paranormal activity and don't find the reason to either. It's utter bollocks and ridiculously funny.

Now some form of energy can't be described as ghosts or can't have any telling impact on human lives, I think. I haven't experienced any such phenomenon and believe me, i have tried to extend my imaginations but couldn't come to terms of why such paranormal activities should exist in the first place.

I went to few allegedly haunted places and did my own digging up and found out everything to be preposterous and made-up at best.

 

Having said that, I do believe in extra-terrestrial life forms. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that we are the only intelligent life forms around here. I also believe that they have been visiting us on vacations from time to time too. :D

[Maxximus 353]

So it okay to believe in extra-terrestrial life, but if anyone says they've seen a ghost or have been haunted then, "LOL, u crazy(!)?"

 

Is it so hard to believe that during a highly emotional, tragic and brutal death, that there's absolutely no chance of any sort of energetic emotional residue hanging around? There are multiple vibratory dimensions that humans can't even comprehend. Look at it this way. Have you ever been to a historically significant place and just "felt" the emotion from it? Ghosts can be the same thing, energy vibrating within another dimension that we occasionally catch a glimpse of.

 

Of course probability does state that the likelihood of the existence of extra-terrestrial aliens is very high, I'm just not sure that we've been visited despite the hundreds of ufo videos I've seen and the research I've done. Those sightings can be experimental military craft or even natural phenomenon that we just don't understand.

 

Also, Venus and swamp gas. ; )

[Paul 584]

Is it so hard to believe that during a highly emotional, tragic and brutal death, that there's absolutely no chance of any sort of energetic emotional residue hanging around?

 

The lack of evidence for this even being possible means yes it is hard to believe.

 

 

There are multiple vibratory dimensions that humans can't even comprehend. Look at it this way. Have you ever been to a historically significant place and just "felt" the emotion from it?

 

Even cracked.com have explained this

http://www.cracked.com/article_18828_the-creepy-scientific-explanation-behind-ghost-sightings.html

[Guest Jamster26]

What's your take on posession? I've seen that Derek Acorah apprently being posessed. Now either that's real or extremely good acting. :lol

 

I just....can't picture that.

Edited September 14, 2011 by Jamster26

[Paul 584]

Its neither real nor good acting. :lol

[Maxximus 353]

The lack of evidence for this even being possible means yes it is hard to believe.

 

Even cracked.com have explained this

http://www.cracked.com/article_18828_the-creepy-scientific-explanation-behind-ghost-sightings.html

 

Yeah, I know. I also knew you were going to invoke that damn Cracked article. I remember reading it a few months ago. Without significant proof, it's pretty spot on and I'm inclined to agree with it. You know me though, I tend to side with the mysterious and unexplained regardless of my own scientific proclivities. I'm weird that way.

 

What's your take on posession? I've seen that Derek Acorah apprently being posessed. Now either that's real or extremely good acting.

 

Demonic possession is either a scam or simply mental health/physical issues. In the dark ages if someone had some sort of psychotic episode or even a seizure it was deemed to be the cause of the devil due to lack of understanding human physiology/psychology.

 

Speaking of invocations, let me throw out a little Arthur C Clarke that kind of fits in with this.

 

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

 

The same can be said for possession as well as a number of other paranormal phenomenon.

 

See? I'm not a total crackpot.

Edited September 14, 2011 by Maxximus

[Guest John Hancock]

As Maxx said, "real" demonic possession is misdiagnosed mental illness caused by medical ignorance and over reliance on things like magic and religion, which is why they tend to take place in mud-hut villages in sub-Saharan Africa rather than, say, Hampshire.

 

Guys like Derek Akorah are just doing it for a laugh. Even he knows he's faking it, and he's been caught out in a lie multiple times. My personal favourite was when the owners of the London Dungeon called him in, and he was possessed by the spirits of several ghosts who had been tortured and executed there. He was then informed that the London Dungeon was nothing more than a museum and that, before, the building had been used as a warehouse for it's entire existence.

[Maxximus 353]

My personal favourite was when the owners of the London Dungeon called him in, and he was possessed by the spirits of several ghosts who had been tortured and executed there. He was then informed that the London Dungeon was nothing more than a museum and that, before, the building had been used as a warehouse for it's entire existence.

 

Link? That sounds hilarious.

[Guest Saz]

This is the famous one Maxx

 

[video=Youtube;u4qGfNViVN8]

 

Heh! It's actually quite painful watching these people get caught out... funny, but painful!

Edited September 14, 2011 by Saz

[Maxximus 353]

Awesome, Sazzle. Cheers!

 

 

edit: That was great. The only thing I love more than a compelling conspiracy is when frauds get PWND!

Edited September 14, 2011 by Maxximus

[Guest John Hancock]

2:06 onward for the greatness of a Liverpudlian tourist knowing absolutely dick-all about London geography/history. The ending is particularly great just for the guy completely ignoring all the evidence.

 

[video=youtube;pRCQYKPj050]

[Maxximus 353]

Cheers, Johnny.

 

I've never denied the existence of ghosts, but these people certainly aren't helping any. If anything it's just more evidence of psychic mediums being full of crap. Still I don't think that show can top Paranormal State for it's over the top delivery.

 

[video=youtube;4-xYebOggZw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-xYebOggZw&feature=relmfu

[Guest Anime Otaku]

Just going to put this here as it may be of interest to some people on this topic though it may be a bit of a tangent.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1420-psychic-nikki-not-psychologically-ready-to-prove-she-can-actually-do-anything-besides-talk-that-is.html

[Maxximus 353]

I doubt anyone will succeed and beat James Randi's challenge because they're all frauds. I do, however, find it funny that a former stage magician is now so outspoken about psychic phenomena and the paranormal. It's almost like breaking kayfabe.

[Guest John Hancock]

A lot of them are though, Penn & Teller, Derren Brown... Penn & Teller. Magicians hate psychics because they both do the same job, by psychics don't have honour, honesty and good-will to admit it's a trick.

[Maxximus 353]

Good point.

 

They may hate psychics(and with good reason) but I don't know if they're as cynical as James Randi is. He's all but made it his life's mission to debunk as many psychics as possible. I find it rather disturbing that some of these psychics occasionally work for the police in missing person cases but they decline an offer of one million dollars to prove their abilities. It's just kind of sad that law enforcement are encouraging these people.

 

On the other hand, I not so secretly wish that someone would come along and blow James Randi away and prove psychic abilities to the mainstream, just so I can sit back and watch the uproar it would cause. I wonder what hardcore religious fundamental groups like Westboro Baptist would do if someone turned up who could legit read minds, speak with the dead and manipulate objects with just a thought. They should be gay as well to REALLY piss them off.