sin cara???

[Guest Olblueyes]

Someone please tell me how many sin caras there are or has been or whatever the hell, im so sick of this...mistico, hunicio or whatever and then is there a third? Or is it just mistico? Help me unravel this mystery! Edited September 1, 2011 by Olblueyes

[Omega 354]

OR you could read the Sin Cara V Sin Cara thread...

[Maxximus 353]

Um, as far as I know, Mistico is the original Sin Cara. He got hit with a Wellness violation and Hucino took his place as Sin Cara while he was out. Now that Mistico is back I guess they're both under the hood, building to a Sin Cara vs. Sin Cara feud for whatever reason. Savvy?

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Mistico was Sin Cara from his debut until Money in the Bank.

Hunico has been Sin Cara ever since his return to TV after that.

 

Mistico has finished his suspension but he's still having backstage problems and at this point they're sticking with Hunico.

[Guest John Hancock]

Yeah, what Maxx and Jimmy said.

 

In Mexico, there was a guy named Luis Alvirde, and he wrestled as a character called Mistico. The WWE hired him and gave him the character of Sin Cara. Alvirde failed a some sort of random medical check and was suspended, but WWE kept the Sin Cara character alive and, from this point on, he was played by another Mexican guy named Jorge Arias (who wrestled as Incognito in Mexico, and Hunico in America. Confusingly, Arias also played Mistico for a while back in Mexico because of some weird contractual clause). Then Alvirde's expansion expired and he came back but everyone hates him, so now he's just sitting around whilst WWE make up their mind about what to do with the whole situation.

Edited September 1, 2011 by John Hancock

[etz 78]

What, so Hunico also played Mistico for a while? I love the fact Arias has played Alvirde's characters under the mask more than once, and outside WWE, despite the fact they're totally different physically.

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Hunico worked a/the Mistico gimmick in Mexico before it was given to Mistico, from memory.

[Guest Jamster26]

Doesn't matter who plays Sin Cara, they're both bloody rubbish.

[etz 78]

Bah, nowhere near as funny then :P

[Guest John Hancock]

It's a really weird situation. Basically, they both played Mistico, but they played different versions of him. Around 2002 (that number's totally off the top of my head by the way, so don't quote it, as it's bordering pretty close to me just totally make it up), Mexican-American wrestler Jorge Arias became a character called Mistico, and wrestled in north Mexico, in Juarez, along the Texas border. At pretty much the exact same time (there's a massive debate about who came first), Mexican wrestler Luis Alvirde also started wrestling, but this time in the south Mexico, in Mexico City. The northern guy got called Mistico del Juarez, and the southern one was Mistico del Ciudad de México. Mistico del Ciudad de México ended up working for CMLL, one of the biggest luchadore companies in the country, and so they used their legal clout to ban Mistico del Juarez from calling himself Mistico. So Mistico del Ciudad de México became just plain old Mistico, and he went on to be the original Sin Cara, whilst Mistico del Juarez was forced to change his name to Mystico, which then changed to Incognito, which then changed to Hunico, which then changed to, funny how these things work out, the second Sin Cara. Edited September 1, 2011 by John Hancock

[Guest BratSan]

It's a really weird situation. Basically, they both played Mistico, but they played different versions of him. Around 2002 (that number's totally off the top of my head by the way, so don't quote it, as it's bordering pretty close to me just totally make it up), Mexican-American wrestler Jorge Arias became a character called Mistico, and wrestled in north Mexico, in Juarez, along the Texas border. At pretty much the exact same time (there's a massive debate about who came first), Mexican wrestler Luis Alvirde also started wrestling, but this time in the south Mexico, in Mexico City. The northern guy got called Mistico del Juarez, and the southern one was Mistico del Ciudad de México. Mistico del Ciudad de México ended up working for CMLL, one of the biggest luchadore companies in the country, and so they used their legal clout to ban Mistico del Juarez from calling himself Mistico. So Mistico del Ciudad de México became just plain old Mistico, and he went on to be the original Sin Cara, whilst Mistico del Juarez was forced to change his name to Mystico, which then changed to Incognito, which then changed to Hunico, which then changed to, funny how these things work out, the second Sin Cara.

 

Johnny boy, that is one f*cked up confusing story. :lol

I wonder at this stage, even if they really care about their wrestling names anymore.

[ShaolinHandLock 73]

Johnny boy, that is one f*cked up confusing story. :lol

I wonder at this stage, even if they really care about their wrestling names anymore.

 

There are plenty more where that came from. Maybe not quite as confusing, but when it comes to naming rights and Mexican wrestlers, it can get quite messy at times.

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Yeah. The thing with a masked gimmick is that its easier to transfer to another person, so they can get handed down and inherited and replaced and stuff like that, especially if the wrestler retires or moves to another company.

 

Back to the original point, since Sin Cara II seemed to turn heel on Smackdown, you'd assume they're finally bringing Mistico back to be Sin Cara I and have them feud.

 

So, you think you're confused, imagine how little children will feel when there are suddenly two Caras.

[Guest John Hancock]

And then imagine how confused the WWE accountants will be when they hear that the guy behind one of WWE's most expensive piece of live show merchandise (Sin Cara masks are $75 a pop) just turned heel.

 

I really don't have high hopes for this feud for the exact reason Jimmy said. Good guy returns to defend the honour of his gimmick from new usurper is a good and fine angle and it happens a fair bit in Mexico and Japan, but, practically speaking, no one who isn't subscribed to the Wrestling Observer is going to have a f*ck of a clue what's going on.

 

If people thought all the Kevin Nash / CM Punk / HHH stuff was too exclusive and high concept and inside, just you wait until this one kicks off. About 10% of every crowd is going to have any idea what's happening.

 

Us internet fans, eh? We slag WWE off for being too broad and child friendly, then we call them idiots for pandering too us because we're aware we're too small and cheap for them to bother with.

[Guest Jierda]

And then imagine how confused the WWE accountants will be when they hear that the guy behind one of WWE's most expensive piece of live show merchandise (Sin Cara masks are $75 a pop) just turned heel.

 

I really don't have high hopes for this feud for the exact reason Jimmy said. Good guy returns to defend the honour of his gimmick from new usurper is a good and fine angle and it happens a fair bit in Mexico and Japan, but, practically speaking, no one who isn't subscribed to the Wrestling Observer is going to have a f*ck of a clue what's going on.

 

If people thought all the Kevin Nash / CM Punk / HHH stuff was too exclusive and high concept and inside, just you wait until this one kicks off. About 10% of every crowd is going to have any idea what's happening.

 

Us internet fans, eh? We slag WWE off for being too broad and child friendly, then we call them idiots for pandering too us because we're aware we're too small and cheap for them to bother with.

 

This is why the IWC is awesome :lol

[Shaun2J 127]

Sin Cara III?!

 

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj95/1992Shaun1992/001.jpg

[dsrchris 190]

If they have this feud, then there damn sure better be a point-off at some time during the proceedings.

[Paul 584]

With Sabu as guest ref. :lol

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Hopefully (I say, getting my hopes up about commentary) that if Mistico comes back in the blue, commentary will be able to explain that "hey, there's the real Cara! We thought he'd just put on weight, but it must have been an imposter the whole time! No wonder he turned heel, the real Cara would never do that!"

 

This is not a time for ambiguity, Double Double E.

 

Of course, worst case, nobody explains anything and they go for "We all know who that is!" and we get a Cole heel rant about how the imposter is the real one or they're both the same or whatever else. So, hopefully not.

[dsrchris 190]

Yeah I just figured one would wear blue, one would wear white, and commentary would make a big deal about telling everyone what was going on.

 

Shouldn't be THAT confusing really.

[ShaolinHandLock 73]

They could just give the Hucino version of Sin Cara a variation on Mistico's old heel attire.....

 

http://i56.tinypic.com/b4atqt.jpg

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Thats pretty badass actually.

[ShaolinHandLock 73]

Yeah, Mistico's heel attires were cool.

 

http://i53.tinypic.com/2v8396e.jpg

 

http://i56.tinypic.com/2hhji88.jpg

 

Which leads me to something related I've been meaning to bring up. The picture of heel Mistico teaming up with Averno that I've posted above reminded me - just what is the WWE going to do with Averno? He unmasked specifically so that he could go to the WWE, and I read somewhere a short while back that they still intend on using him, so that his unmasking wasn't for nothing.

 

Originally the idea was a Mistico version Sin Cara vs Averno feud, but I don't see that happening now.....

[Guest Jimmy Redman]

Averno was the original plan, but starting with the Suspension I think so much other stuff has been going on that the moment is long gone.

 

Not that they might not bring him in later on, but as far as now, they've moved in this direction with Cara now.

[DC 536]

I imagine that if they do go down the Sin Cara I v Sin Cara II route, Averno could end up being unmasked at the end of it (as is the tradition in Mexico).