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Confirmed: Spidey 4 dead

Raimi and Maguire out and Studio going reboot route.

 

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Nikke Finke's a hard one to pin down. With the hiring of Variety's chief scoop-hunter Mike Fleming it'd be hard to argue that duo is anything but a juggernaut of Hollywood insider information. They've been wrong before... Finke recently made a mistake in a recent scoop about a film called NORTHERN LIGHTS where she said Tom Cruise was to play Taylor Lautner's father... Cruise is not involved and she promptly (and without mention) removed the Tom Cruise part of it.

 

But everybody makes mistakes and sometimes things that look like mistakes are really not mistakes, just changes in direction or misinformation (a lot of times intentional). It happens.

 

Finke and Fleming's first big scoop together is a doozy. They're claiming there was a big meeting at Sony today where it was decided to halt Spider-Man 4 after Sam Raimi told them he can't make the release date and make the movie he wants to. Sony decided to reboot the series instead of wait, it seems.

 

What it sounds like to us here at AICN is that Raimi learned a big lesson with the reaction to Spider-Man 3 and he wasn't going to be forced into doing a sequel that wasn't ready and his cast stood behind him. And now it appears Sony thinks the brand is more valuable than Raimi and Tobey Maguire.

 

Yeah, it kind of sucks and I hope that a "reboot" doesn't mean we have to get yet another origin story told, but honestly... if the studio was forcing Raimi in unreasonable ways I'd rather see him and Maguire leave the series than do another Spider-Man 3.

 

Finke and Fleming says James Vanderbilt (Zodiac) will script the reboot. Vanderbilt also did a pass on an earlier draft of Spidey 4 and is attached for further sequels.

 

So, what does this mean? If the studio is smart they'll go after someone like Neill Blomkamp and do for Spider-Man what Warner Bros did for Batman. Blomkamp in particular has proven he can balance visual effects, drama and comedy, which is kind of the perfect match for Spider-Man's adventures. However if Raimi left over creative differences and his inability to compromise with the suits I can't imagine they'd be willing to give an up and comer the freedom he'd need to make a real honest to God awesome Spider-Man movie.

 

Also... please, just continue the series. Don't give us a new Green Goblin/origin retelling. The Incredible Hulk had the right idea, I think. The character is iconic, we just want a good movie. Kraven's Last Hunt, perhaps? Or something totally new... Just no retreads.

 

So, what do you folks think about this development? It might be the best thing for the series or when it goes past the point of no return for the franchise. If they hire a working director that'll just pump out a product (an X3 or Wolverine: Origins comes to mind) it could be a disaster, but if this reboot opens the door for a visionary to reinvent this series then it could be just the shot in the arm these movies need.

 

And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather see Sam Raimi making movies he's passionate about, where he has a level of creative freedom he's comfortable with.

 

We'll keep an ear to the ground on this one and let you know what develops over the next weeks.

 

Quint here again. The studio has put out a press release. Finke and Fleming were on target, it seems. Here's the release:

Culver City, CA (January 11, 2010) -- Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.

 

Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.

 

The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.

 

“A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and compelling for generations of fans. We’re very excited about the creative possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new beginning,” said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.

 

“Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job,” said Sam Raimi.

 

“We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last decade. This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine Spider-Man in anyone else’s hands, I know that this was a day that was inevitable,” said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served as the studio’s chief production executive since the beginning of the franchise. “Now everything begins anew, and that’s got us all tremendously excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can’t wait to share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012.”

 

"Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films and as we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these stories and characters to life on the big screen."

Yeah, it's all very political. Peter's a high-schooler again? That might not be a bad thing... I just swear to God I'm going to scream if we have another hour of origin story to sit through.

 

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Were the Spider Man films considered such unmitigated disasters that a REBOOT of the freaking franchise is required?
It's got nothing to do with how successful (commercially or financially) the movies where (all three were huge winners at the box-office) and everything to do with the studio and the current director not seeing eye-to-eye. They wanted it out by a certain date and Sam Raimi wanted to wait and make sure everything was perfect after the comparitive mauling Spider-Man 3 took.

 

The current trilogy are Raimi's vision and it seems that rather than pass it on to someone else and have them try to match it, they're going to start from scratch with a new man (or woman) at the helm. There are obvious pros and cons to all of this (could the "Death of Gwen Stacy" storyline be in the works, keeping the comic-book chronology intact? Would Venom be done better this time around?), but, for me, it's not sitting quite right, but the Batman series showed that more than one person can work under the cape, so hopefully someone knew can work under the blue-and-red webbing (and, with that in mind, the casting rumours are going to fly thick and fast, especially as the studio will still want a 2012 release date).

 

As an aside, I feel really sorry for Dylan Baker; two movies teasing his turn as The Lizard and it was all for nothing.

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The need to get a kid for this. Not a 30 year old actor pretending to be a kid, an actual kid to play Peter Parker. The first film went to tits when they tried to make me believe Tobey Maguire was a SCHOOLKID.

 

I'd go to the Ultimate Universe, and brings things more up to date. The one thing about the current Spiderman trilogy is that it felt like it was set in the 70's kind of. I know they had Doc Ock's tech and whatnot, but the characters all seemed to be stuck in their Ditko versions.

 

I'd personally:

1. Find an unknown 15/16 year old to pull on the webs.

2. Use Kraven and the animal characters (scorpion, rhino, vulture, lizard) for this film.

3. Sum all the origin up nicely in the first 5 minutes so we can just get on with the film.

4. No Goblin (although bringing in the necessary characters to setup the Death of Gwen Stacy properly for a sequel would be amazing.)

 

All in all, as a HUGE spidey fan this is mostly great news.

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I was excited when the first one came out - didn't live up to the hype.

 

Wasn't excited about the sequel - was actually okay.

 

Was excited about the third movie as Topher Grace would be in it - load of rubbish.

 

Can't say I'm devastated about this revelation.

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The current trilogy are Raimi's vision .

 

then Raimi's vision sucks. The whole trilogy is pure shite, I like them as action films, but as Spiderman adaptations they've removed everything decent about each character and turned them into steretypical hollywood fodder.

 

I'd go to the Ultimate Universe, and brings things more up to date. The one thing about the current Spiderman trilogy is that it felt like it was set in the 70's kind of. I know they had Doc Ock's tech and whatnot, but the characters all seemed to be stuck in their Ditko versions.

 

If you're going to go down the Ultimate route (which they already did with venom) then I'd prefer that was made clear, like call it 'Ultimate Spiderman' or something. Calling the film 'Spider-man' and then introducing all the ultimate counterparts is only going to garner more criticism.

 

I'd personally:

1. Find an unknown 15/16 year old to pull on the webs.

2. Use Kraven and the animal characters (scorpion, rhino, vulture, lizard) for this film.

3. Sum all the origin up nicely in the first 5 minutes so we can just get on with the film.

4. No Goblin (although bringing in the necessary characters to setup the Death of Gwen Stacy properly for a sequel would be amazing.)

 

All in all, as a HUGE spidey fan this is mostly great news.

 

1) I honestly don't see a 15 year old playing spidey with any conviction. There's nothing wrong with an older actor playing a younger charatcer, just not when it's as obvious as Maguire.

 

2) Kraven has a whole backstory with Spiderman though. you want to cut Spidey's origin, which is fine, but then you'd spend the rest of the film working on the villains backstory.

 

Rhino, Vulture and Lizard would be pretty cool to see. Although how would audiences react to seeing someone wearing a massive Rhino suit?

 

3) Agreed, the Incredible Hulk managed to do it well enough. It's like people don't know the story.

 

If they're re-booting the Goblin is a bad character to bring in, but yeah I agree with bringing all the characters in, just in case they want to go down thatp ath a little later (a well realised, comic accurate Goblin story would f*cking rule!!!!)

 

 

I liked all 3 movies. I'm not a comic book guy and I dont know about the origins or any of those comic book characters so I liked them, not having to be concerned with wondering why they changed this or that.

 

that's the best way to watch comic book movies. That's why I like Batman Begins so much, I don't know anything about Scarecrow or Ra's Al Ghul so it was cool just to watch them without picking apart all the weaknesses.

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There's so much to go from in both Spidey universes (I'm not counting the zombie one) that they could make a great film by combining the two. Don't have Rhino as a guy in a spandex suit, have it as a guy in a huge robotic(ish) Rhino suit trashing everything. Same goes for Scorpion. Instead of a suit, how about a cybernetic tail grafted into his spine?

 

Possibly make them Oscorp experiments, which would be a nifty way of bringing Norman into it, but leaving the whole goblin thing as a tease for another movie?

 

Hell, why not go the whole hog and introduce a buttload of people as Oscorp employees/test subjects and leave plenty of scope for later films? You could easily get Otto Octavius in as a Oscorp employee, just a shot of him in the background using the arms on something (but not yet attached).

 

I'd also go back to web shooters. Love the "ultimate" idea of Pete being left his dad's research and fiddling around with it in the basement. Just as a thought you could have him invent the webbing after going through his dad's work, but not knowing what to do with it until the spidey powers?

 

Man, there is just so much they COULD do, I'm invariably going to be disappointed in some form.

 

As for the origin, how about possibly telling it through a series of flashbacks throughout the film? Nothing too lengthy, just picking out the major points?

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What do you mean Dark Knight-esque? More realistic?

 

Can't see it working. Just about worked for Batman and it's only because logically, it could happen - bizarre if it did but still.

 

Spiderman? ..Not so much.

 

Apologies if that's not what you're referring to.

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Raimi's movies were damn good, but now Sony is going to get what they want and put forth an awful project. A lot of comic book nerds are stoked now, foolishly thinking now they're going to get movies which are frame for frame reiterations of their favorite arcs. Raimi was as close to source material as this series is ever going to get for a long time.

 

Look closely what Sony wants to happen with this movie, and think about what movie would possibly lead them to want to situate Peter back in high school rather than continue on and make Spiderman 4. I don't think Sony wants anything more than teenage Spiderman facing a slew of teenage enemies like teenage Venom and having a love triangle with teenage Black Cat and getting stuffed into lockers by bullies to work their all to lure in the Twilight crowd.

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Legal reasons?
As dsrchris said, the rights to the character of Kingpin/Wilson Fisk belong to Fox (as does the X-Men franchise) and the rights to Spider-Man and any characters already featured in those movies belong to Sony (via Columbia Pictures).

 

If the studios don't make a movie within a certain timeframe, then the rights revert back to Marvel (the reason why the infamous never-to-be-released version of Fantastic Four was filmed). With the financial gains from the Spider-Man and X-Men movies (Daredevil made a profit, but it wasn't that well received critically, so that wouldn't be as big a loss), Fox and Sony won't want to lose those rights.

So many good stories waiting to be told from the Lee/Ditko days, not to mention further beyond those. Raimi had the f eel and tone spot on for 1 and 2 bot lost the plot on 3.
Part three, and the studio interference, is the reason Raimi wanted as much time as he needed (rather than work to an already set release date) for the fourth. Sony wanted it done differently, hence the parting of the ways.

 

I admire Raimi for sticking to his guns and look forward to his next project, a movie based on World of Warcraft.

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what was the studio interference? I'm curious because there was a 3 year gap between 2 and 3, so if he's saying he wants more time, well he had more time for 3 and still f*cked it up.
There were a few things that the studio forced on Raimi. The first was the release date for the third film, which was already marked on the calendar before the second film hit the cinema. Second was the inclusion of Venom. Raimi genuinely didn't want the character to be in the third film as he didn't care for him, but after pressure from the studio, he saw where the fan appeal would come from and put him in anyway.

 

Raimi wanted Sandman (along with New Goblin) to be the villain focal point of the movie, but with Venom coming on board, pretty much all interest was diverted to that character because of the fan following originally pitched for his inclusion. There were various script rewrites enforced by the studio also (which led to an eight-month overrun with reshoots), along with a number of cuts to scenes Raimi wanted to have included.

 

In addition to that, there were alterations to the crew who worked on the first two movies that Raimi was either not happy about or not informed about until production began.

 

It seemed that, despite having two movies under his belt that pleased almost everyone (even if Green Goblin's outfit took a pasting), Sony simply wanted to have things their own way for the third one, resulting in a film that, while not as bad as some have commented, fell way short of what was expected AND got Venom so badly wrong.

 

Raimi was determined not to let this happen on the fourth one, while the studio felt that they had to get more involved to save the franchise. Ultimately, Raimi stuck to his guns and both parties went their separate ways.

 

Sony still want the next film to be released in Summer 2012, so expect a director, cast and a list of characters to appear within the next couple of months (the script is already written - it was from an idea for the first movie that got ditched when Raimi came on board initially).

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Do you know who wrote the script for this DC? I managed to find a couple of unused scripts for the first spiderman when it came out, and was just wondering if it's one of the ones I've already read.

 

Truth be told, all the ones I found as possibles were pretty p*ss poor though...

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Do you know who wrote the script for this DC? I managed to find a couple of unused scripts for the first spiderman when it came out, and was just wondering if it's one of the ones I've already read.

 

Truth be told, all the ones I found as possibles were pretty p*ss poor though...

The script being used was written by Jamie Vanderbilt a good few years ago and covers Peter's teen years (it wasn't an origin story, so it sounds like an alternate story for what became Spider-Man 2). He has a good pedigree as a writer, having been behind the scripts for Zodiac, Basic and The Rundown, so it's not the worst idea in the world.

 

In other news, word around the campfire is that Marc Webb, who directed (500) Days of Summer, is going to be given the reigns on the new film. It's not official, but insiders are sure that he is the man Sony want to helm the reboot.

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