What if Vince really passed away in the next few days?

[DC 536]

Not that I wish anything to happen to him, but Becky and I were talking, and she asked me what WWE would do if Vince McMahon really died during the running of this angle. Not that he really died in the angle itself, but if he coincidentally passed on by other means. Maybe he had a car crash or a heart attack.

 

It got me thinking, because they'd need to stop the angle in it's tracks....or would they?

 

Would WWE actually use the fact Vince really was dead to legitimise the angle?

 

I don't know....but what do you think?

[Guest FreeSpirit]

I actually thought of this scenario myself DC. They would probably just continue the angle, but have more tributes, more sit down promos etc

[Guest the HiTman]

I actually think the whole of the WWE would shut down for a few weeks.

[Guest Kanenite]

I think they'd carry on the angle, after all Vince is a business man and I think he'd like the show to go on and carry on as normal. Obviously everyone would be upset but I think they'd keep the angle alive.

[Guest Slim Jim]

I think they'd have to stop the "who done it" angle, but I think they'd stick with "the show must go on" and not break kayfabe.

[Guest Al Stevens]

Intresting question.

 

My POV is that if he did meet his maker while this angle was going on then i am pretty much sure that everyone would just think this is another part of the angle untill he never showed up on TV again.

 

Lets face it, they did the 10 bell salute, they had wrestlers give there feelings and i would put money on a tribute video on Raw this week. So if there was more of these the fans would crap over it more than likely. Sad but very very true

[Dead Crow 370]

Of course they'd stop the angle. It'd be the biggest wrestling news story in history and they'd have no choice but to stop the angle and completely overhaul the entire company.

[Guest dpddave]

I think the only person who would keep an angle going in that situation would be Vince himself...and he would be dead so im sure it would be stoped,theres no way Shane would allow it too go on.

[Guest SammyDavis]

I don't think there would be a chance of them continuing the angle. It would be pretty tough to explain though. But there is no way his family would let it continue. As others have said they would probabally have to shut the company down for a few weeks.

[Guest MastersGonads]

Of course they'd stop the angle. It'd be the biggest wrestling news story in history and they'd have no choice but to stop the angle and completely overhaul the entire company.

 

Exactly....

 

To be fair, I think the WWE would hope the fans have a bit more intellignce about them to realise, what is a storyline and what isnt.....I find it quite amusing, that we actually have to question whether that some wouldnt be able to decipher between a storyline, which is so blatantly a storyline, and real life......

 

Im still confused how Steve Owen can advertise DFS Sofas when he died in a car explosio.......

 

Just to add for all those, who say they would shut down the company for a few weeks.....This is the McMahon's....as shown by Eddie and Owen...the shows ALWAYS goes on....

Edited June 22, 2007 by MastersGonads

[Nimf 324]

I think Vince himself would be utterly pee'd off by it though, sat up there (or wherever he'd be) looking down thinking "well, that spoilt THAT storyline..."

[Guest Laffy]

I kind of think Vinces death is slightly different to Owens and Eddies. To be honest on a lot of chat rooms that im been in most of the kids think Vince is really dead so it would confuse them greatly. Also would they do the 10 bell salute again as we have already had that for Vince McMahon. I think the sooner this angle is wrapped up and moved on the better I hate it anyway.

[Guest MastersGonads]

I kind of think Vinces death is slightly different to Owens and Eddies. To be honest on a lot of chat rooms that im been in most of the kids think Vince is really dead so it would confuse them greatly. Also would they do the 10 bell salute again as we have already had that for Vince McMahon. I think the sooner this angle is wrapped up and moved on the better I hate it anyway.

 

Yes but his death, may change the outlook of the company as Draven alluded to with a complete overhaul of the company, but there are contingency plans in place for every kind of eventuality, and the show would go on, just the same as it did after Owen and Eddie died.

 

As for a childs perception on the angle, and the fact if Vince did die, then there has to be obvious caution with minors, but you have to look at this with a little bit of perspective, With the fact that most children think that the Undertaker is dead, and that the Boogeyman actually lives in the Bottomless Pit!

[Guest Slim Jim]

IT'S NOT EASTENDERS.

 

Ok had to get that out.

[Guest MastersGonads]

IT'S NOT EASTENDERS.

 

Ok had to get that out.

 

But Mr McMahon is a character, The Undertaker is a character, Boogeyman is a character, there not real!!!

 

A Soap Opera like Eastenders is Entertainment, WWE Raw is Entertainment...

[Nimf 324]

Boogeyman's not real??

[Guest Jung]

Yeah you can't really compare WWE to Eastenders, cause while they have storylines they are presented totally differently.

 

The only problem I have with WWE is they can't make their mind up if they want to enforce kayfabe, or present reality, and thats the problem.

 

I mean you don't see in Eastenders the actors acting that they arrive on set before doing their main storyline acting, but you do in WWE. So we believe the Undertaker is dead, but that he still arrives at the arena with a gym bag?!

 

You either have to do one or the other. Which is why people are offended by this death angle because its no different than Owen's death or Eddie's death. The only difference is one is real and one isn't. Its presented the same way. Thats whats wrong, the presentation side of it. Say HHH died tomorrow, how many kids would go "nah he's not dead, they'll have a hunt to see who killed him"? Maybe a few, cause it would be done in exactly the same way Vince's is done.

 

WWE move around so frequently, that its just silly. They either have to present themselves as real or present it as kayfabe. You can't combine the two, then expect there not to be a backlash, when you do serious angles for kicks.

[Nimf 324]

Even dead men need a change of clothing... All that death is BOUND to make your clothes stink a bit.

[Guest MastersGonads]

Yeah you can't really compare WWE to Eastenders, cause while they have storylines they are presented totally differently.

 

The only problem I have with WWE is they can't make their mind up if they want to enforce kayfabe, or present reality, and thats the problem.

 

I mean you don't see in Eastenders the actors acting that they arrive on set before doing their main storyline acting, but you do in WWE. So we believe the Undertaker is dead, but that he still arrives at the arena with a gym bag?!

 

You either have to do one or the other. Which is why people are offended by this death angle because its no different than Owen's death or Eddie's death. The only difference is one is real and one isn't. Its presented the same way. Thats whats wrong, the presentation side of it. Say HHH died tomorrow, how many kids would go "nah he's not dead, they'll have a hunt to see who killed him"? Maybe a few, cause it would be done in exactly the same way Vince's is done.

 

WWE move around so frequently, that its just silly. They either have to present themselves as real or present it as kayfabe. You can't combine the two, then expect there not to be a backlash, when you do serious angles for kicks.

 

That is the only differential between the two is Kayfabe issue as you have highlighted, and I agree...And I was led to believe that wwe.com would be moving to a more non kayfabe kind of website

 

But when you strip it down, they are both entertainment. They have actors, storylines which are rehearsed.....

 

using Eastenders as an example, When Dirty den died, did you think, Leslie Grantham has died?

Edited June 22, 2007 by MastersGonads

[Guest Dazoggsta]

Boogeyman's not real??

 

Nah, he's real, he just has a caretaker take care of the Bottomless Pit. :greets4:

 

And if Vince did die, I think as someone said earlier, they'd drop 'who killed him' but have more tributes and things. I don't think we'd see a huge change right away, although that could happen later.

[Guest Jung]

That is the only differential between the two is Kayfabe issue as you have highlighted, and I agree...And I was led to believe that wwe.com would be moving to a more non kayfabe kind of website

 

But when you strip it down, they are both entertainment. They have actors, storylines which are rehearsed.....

 

using Eastenders as an example, When Dirty den died, did you think, Leslie Grantham has died?

 

Oh I totally agree but its the presentation thats still different. On an entertainment show they had a tribute show to the late Eddie Guerrero (FACT). On an entertainment show they had a tribute to the late Vince McMahon (FICTION). But in presentation terms what was the difference?

 

There's no difference in WWE between fact and fiction, they present it in the same way. Thats the problem. People might not think Vince is dead, but surely by that stretch they'd have just as much reason to think Owen Hart and Eddie aren't dead too? Cause from TV coverage on their shows, whats the difference?

[Guest MastersGonads]

Oh I totally agree but its the presentation thats still different. On an entertainment show they had a tribute show to the late Eddie Guerrero (FACT). On an entertainment show they had a tribute to the late Vince McMahon (FICTION). But in presentation terms what was the difference?

 

There's no difference in WWE between fact and fiction, they present it in the same way. Thats the problem. People might not think Vince is dead, but surely by that stretch they'd have just as much reason to think Owen Hart and Eddie aren't dead too? Cause from TV coverage on their shows, whats the difference?

 

I do agree...I have said all along I thought the Ten Bell Salute was wrong, but has it come to the point, has television dumbed us down as an audience so much that is has come to the point that we cant decipher the difference between the deaths of Eddie and Vince? And how they were portrayed?

 

Its not like the WWE did a pre tape of Eddie keeling over in his hotel room...

 

Or is that just me?

[Guest Jung]

But seriously though if you didn't know about Vince or Eddie and were shown both shows, the format is pretty much the same. Sad serious voices from commentators, tributes throughout the show, 10 bell salute. I mean there aren't really any differences.

 

The audience may be able to tell one is real and one isn't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause offence, because if they can tell that, they know how much of a smack in the face it is to portray the handling of a fake death in the same way they did as a real death. Thats exploitation.

 

They may possibly tell the difference but then thats all the more worse for making light of a real life tragedy. If anyone else actually does die in the near future, could you imagine how false it would feel watching a HHH tribute show or Batista tribute show, weeks after seeing a "fake" one with Vince McMahon.

 

Fake it be may be, but there's no tact or realisation at the similarities. The impact that has on the future. One day the crowd will crap over someone getting seriously injured, because they've been taught by the WWE, that its probably an angle. Big X sign, commentators looking concerned and some poor worker will be lying there paralysed while the crowd shouts "You f*cked up!" at him. I, for one, don't really fancy seeing that day. And it will come, if Vince and co don't realise, the consequences of art imitating life.

[Guest Laffy]

I personally think you should have the ten bell salute when a wrestler dies for REAL!!! Not because you want to up the anti and get more ratings. I know the fans shat all over it and that is great but what about the wrestlers who have died i personally think it took away part of their tributes. As a guy who is not dead was honoured in the same way.

 

 

Sensational Sheri at one point was not going to get a mention that she had died, i think she should have had a video and tribute but not just a crappy still and then more tributes to Vince. No I did not see the show yet but have heard from many people it was badly done.

 

 

God i hate this angle.

[Guest MastersGonads]

But seriously though if you didn't know about Vince or Eddie and were shown both shows, the format is pretty much the same. Sad serious voices from commentators, tributes throughout the show, 10 bell salute. I mean there aren't really any differences.

 

But then, this is being sold to wrestling fans, who no doubt would have watched the previous show, as I did say I thought the Ten Bell Salute was wrong....

 

The difference between the two is, do you really think the WWE would have stayed on the shot whent he Limo blew up or gone in such depth to the investigation if it was real?

 

The audience may be able to tell one is real and one isn't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause offence, because if they can tell that, they know how much of a smack in the face it is to portray the handling of a fake death in the same way they did as a real death. Thats exploitation.

 

As I have said before, any publicity is good publicity.....Harsh but true

 

They may possibly tell the difference but then thats all the more worse for making light of a real life tragedy. If anyone else actually does die in the near future, could you imagine how false it would feel watching a HHH tribute show or Batista tribute show, weeks after seeing a "fake" one with Vince McMahon.

 

Are you telling me you couldnt see the considerable difference between Eddie's tribute show, and Smackdown last week?

 

 

Fake it be may be, but there's no tact or realisation at the similarities. The impact that has on the future. One day the crowd will crap over someone getting seriously injured, because they've been taught by the WWE, that its probably an angle. Big X sign, commentators looking concerned and some poor worker will be lying there paralysed while the crowd shouts "You f*cked up!" at him. I, for one, don't really fancy seeing that day

 

Fans regularly crap on heels at shows, when they are legitimately injured, it really isnt nothing new, plus the number of times when we see wrestlers motionless or being carried off on strechers, should we be rid of all of this?

 

And it will come, if Vince and co don't realise, the consequences of art imitating life

 

I find this a bit of an over exaggeration, in a show that includes Undertaker's and Boogeymen

 

Sensational Sheri at one point was not going to get a mention that she had died, i think she should have had a video and tribute but not just a crappy still and then more tributes to Vince. No I did not see the show yet but have heard from many people it was badly done.

 

Why?

 

Bam Bam had a still, Lord Alfred Hayes had a still, she wasnt on the current roster, so as sad as her death was, the company followed policy

Edited June 22, 2007 by MastersGonads