MojoPogo Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I've always missed it, because when it was good it always seemed to give mid carders a boost in their status, ie Edge, Christian, even Kurt Angle all received big pushes just after winning it, i reckon it would be way of taking a looking at promising mid carders and seeing who can take the next step! Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 the only way KOTR will be brought back is if the roster split is scraped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Crow Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I prefer it gone, but each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 It always drew a weak buyrate in comparison to the other Big 4 PPVs of Wrestlemania, Royal Rumble, Summerslam and Survivor Series. The tournament deal had been done to death and the same set of midcarders wrestling so many times on a big PPV had no major appeal. I can certainly see why they ended it, but I still think that there was potential to make it a pretty special show like the Rumble if they continued with the theme of the tournament winner becomes the number one contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoPogo Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 Must admit, when i thought of it, i was as much trying to stimulate discussion about how to use talented midcarders as anything really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirteen Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I think KOTR always had a lot of potential but never actually realised it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneronastick Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I loved the KOTR while the tourny format was used. Once they started to use it as a regular PPV and only having the finals match on the card, it was time to say goodbye. If they had the last eight down to finals on the card, then yep bring it back. If not, leave it on the backburner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanenite Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Definately. We have some potentially huge upcomers who are stuck at the bottom of the WWE. With the King of the Ring I think they would get a chance to show what they can produce in the ring. That small chance could boost them up the WWE to where they belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Kane Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I'd like to see them do two tournaments, one Raw and one Smackdown and have the finals of each at the KOTR, and then have the winners face off later on in the night. Then the winner gets a title shot at Summerslam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneronastick Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I'd like to see them do two tournaments' date=' one Raw and one Smackdown and have the finals of each at the KOTR, and then have the winners face off later on in the night. Then the winner gets a title shot at Summerslam.[/quote'] Sounds like a good idea. Don't mention it to WWE creative though, it'll probably get laughed at by Steph and the "creative" team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 For me this is like the whole calendar of WWE....they should, right from the beginning, kept with the big, unique events that were different from the other monthly PPVs. Royal Rumble...sure, that is maintained. King of the Ring....should be the whole 8 man tournament on the night, with the draw made at the start of the PPV. No.1 Contender for Summerslam as the reward. Survivor Series...........should be, as in the old days, purely classic elimination matches, with the Sole Survivor finale at the end, ala '90. Run of the mill PPVs throughout the year are all well and good, but when you have the perfect opportunity for these PPVs that are a bit different, I've never understood why the WWE get rid and minimise these events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Styles Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 they should bring it back.. i'd let Lashley or Shelts win it IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Crow Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I'd like to see them do two tournaments' date=' one Raw and one Smackdown and have the finals of each at the KOTR, and then have the winners face off later on in the night. Then the winner gets a title shot at Summerslam.[/quote'] King Of The Ring 2002 you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Styles Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 King Of The Ring 2002 you mean? nah in 2002 the semis were mixed as well as the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Crow Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 True, but it's the basic idea. The qualifiers were all split as far as I'm aware. Problem for me is that bar about 2/3 examples, it didn't actually elevate anyone, thus making it useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooneronastick Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Problem for me is that bar about 2/3 examples' date=' it didn't actually elevate anyone, thus making it useless.[/quote'] I beg to differ there Dra. According to OWW results the winners (since 1993) are as follows :- 1993 - Bret Hart 1994 - Owen Hart 1995 - Mabel 1996 - Steve Austin 1997 - Hunter Hearst Helmsley 1998 - Ken Shamrock 1999 - Billy Gunn 2000 - Kurt Angle 2001 - Edge 2002 - Brock Lesnar I've highlighted in bold the ones that failed to make main event status but the rest were all deserving of the success they received. Now I'm not saying that KOTR solely contributed to the success but I'd say it helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Crow Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 1993 - Bret Hart 1994 - Owen Hart 1995 - Mabel 1996 - Steve Austin 1997 - Hunter Hearst Helmsley 1998 - Ken Shamrock 1999 - Billy Gunn 2000 - Kurt Angle 2001 - Edge 2002 - Brock Lesnar Of those, it helped Mabel, Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar in a big way. Bret was already a main eventer and had already been WWE champion. He helped the tournament, not the other way around. Owen, again, was already perceived as a main threat and had been feuding with Bret since January. The KOTR merely gave him a title shot in a feud we all knew he'd win anyway. He went nowhere afterwards. Mabel got a big push and a title match - the KOTR helped him. He simply didn't help himself. Austin didn't get over by winning the tournament. He got over through a victory speech, and he could have invented the Austin 3:16 line in any situation. He also didn't get a big break in the company until November with Bret Hart. HHH could be argued as a success, and it led to a great feud where Foley made him more of a star than he had/has any right to be. However, he didn't become over until turning face in April 1998 and didn't main event until over a year later, by which time his KOTR win was completely forgotten. Shamrock, they tried to make seem like he was a big deal, but nothing happened, and he was still midcarding until he left in 99/00. Billy Gunn, the less said the better. Angle, definately added to his resume for the whole debut year thing. SWo yes, I'll give that one. Edge, merely set up a split with Christian. Didn't main event until 2004 and even then, and now, he's still a glorified upper midcarder at best. Lesnar, definately. No doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito is cool Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Of those, it helped Mabel, Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar in a big way. Bret was already a main eventer and had already been WWE champion. He helped the tournament, not the other way around. Owen, again, was already perceived as a main threat and had been feuding with Bret since January. The KOTR merely gave him a title shot in a feud we all knew he'd win anyway. He went nowhere afterwards. Mabel got a big push and a title match - the KOTR helped him. He simply didn't help himself. Austin didn't get over by winning the tournament. He got over through a victory speech, and he could have invented the Austin 3:16 line in any situation. He also didn't get a big break in the company until November with Bret Hart. HHH could be argued as a success, and it led to a great feud where Foley made him more of a star than he had/has any right to be. However, he didn't become over until turning face in April 1998 and didn't main event until over a year later, by which time his KOTR win was completely forgotten. Shamrock, they tried to make seem like he was a big deal, but nothing happened, and he was still midcarding until he left in 99/00. Billy Gunn, the less said the better. Angle, definately added to his resume for the whole debut year thing. SWo yes, I'll give that one. Edge, merely set up a split with Christian. Didn't main event until 2004 and even then, and now, he's still a glorified upper midcarder at best. Lesnar, definately. No doubts. Agree with that. KOTR made helped Lesnar big time. Although anyone can get over with the correct booking anyway the KOTR especially with the added ' the winner gets a title shot' stipulation is a very effective way of pushing any midcarder/upper midcarder into a main event run even if its only for 3-6 months to see how they cope. Right now i believe the KOTR could be incorporated well into the brand split. 4 guys from Raw- Benjamin,Carlito,Masters,RVD 4 guys from SD- Lashley,Kennedy,Rey,Orton Guys like Orton and RVD it may not benefit as much but it adds that little more credibility to the competition. Add a solid main event to this and surely we it would draw better that GAB 2006! I say bring back KOTR July 2006 with the winner getting a title shot at Summerslam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoTT Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I'd like to see KOTR brought back. RAW could have it instead of Vengeance and SD! could have it instead of the Great American Bash and they could both decide contenders for SummerSlam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagwagon Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I miss the king of the ring I especially liked the no 1 con. stipulation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoPogo Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 So it looks as though we're of the opinion its a good idea then? Good to see, seems you're an intelligent bunch! I feel there's more to wwe talent than the big guys who constantly get given often unjustified pushes, and would simply like to see other, better deserving workers (whoever they may be) get given a chance, either via this format, or something else. Just i feel it worked before, so why couldnt it work again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos kid Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 king of the ring was great in the begining, seeing Bret Hart winnning the first one, by defeating razor ramon, mr pefect and bam bam bigelow in one night, a classic ppv. It was an chance for a mid card preformer to make a name for themselves and advance them up the rank to main event status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Crow Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Bret wasn't a midcarder though. He was WWE champion only a few months beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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