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*** Official Raw Discussion Thread - 17th October 2005 ***


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Mr. McMahon promised that someone would pay for Stone Cold’s actions at WWE Homecoming, but he never officially fired anyone. Instead, WWE CEO Linda McMahon shocked the world when she fired Good Ol’ J.R., Jim Ross, from the RAW announce team and delivered a humiliating low blow as her and her family celebrated in the middle of the ring. J.R. has been the voice of RAW for years, so what will RAW sound like without the proud Oklahoman?

 

Plus, it seems like everyone is gunning for John Cena’s WWE Championship. Last week Big Show, Shawn Michaels, Edge, Carlito and Kurt Angle all said that they should be the new No. 1 contender. All six were involved in a monster six-man tag match last week on RAW that saw Kurt Angle pin John Cena. Will a clear-cut No. 1 contender emerge on RAW this week?

 

Also, Triple H revealed that he beat Ric Flair to a bloody pulp at WWE Homecoming because he couldn’t bear to sit back and watch anyone spit in the face of Flair’s legacy. The Game said that he was the one that made Ric Flair great again, but that was over now. He said that Flair is no longer the Dirtiest Player in the Game, and in fact, the game was over for Flair. Will Flair be able to respond to Triple H’s comments this week on RAW?

 

And this Monday will also mark the return of the Big Red Monster, Kane. We haven’t seen or heard from Kane in months. How will the big man make an impact? Plus, Mick Foley will be the guest on Carlito’s Cabana. The Hardcore Legend has been silent since SmackDown’s Randy Orton hit him with an RKO at WWE Homecoming, so Foley will surely have a lot to say.

Credit: WWE.com

 

Spoilers are allowed in this thread.

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It sounds like they're going to be sticking with the two man announce team from that preview. There was nothing along the lines of "Who will replace JR?!", just a little comment about "What will Raw sound like without JR?" which doesn't suggest they'd be replacing him.

 

Coach will probably act as a tweener as he did when he commentated on Raw with Al Snow. No one will have a clue what the names of moves are, but they might still be able to manage.

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I'm bemused why they're having Kane return to RAW. I mean what is he going to do? There's no room in the title hunt for him, and nobody's gonna buy into continuing the feud with Edge and Lita. So he's just gonna be another mid-carder.

 

He should've been relaunched on Smackdown! Have him come in and annihilate Rey Mysterio or something, just to get him over as a monster heel again. Or perhaps have him stalk the Orton's in revenge for what they did to his 'brother' as a monster erm....face.

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I'm bemused why they're having Kane return to RAW. I mean what is he going to do? There's no room in the title hunt for him, and nobody's gonna buy into continuing the feud with Edge and Lita. So he's just gonna be another mid-carder.

 

He should've been relaunched on Smackdown! Have him come in and annihilate Rey Mysterio or something, just to get him over as a monster heel again. Or perhaps have him stalk the Orton's in revenge for what they did to his 'brother' as a monster erm....face.

Im with ya on this.Kane has nothing going for him on RAW,the only way he can go is down.

 

 

Sometimes I wonder that the hell is WWE thinking with some of their moves.Is it that hard to announce that they made a trade with Kane moving to Smack Down and having a mid-carder from Smack Down move to RAW ?

 

 

They did it with Stacy,Christy and Torrie,Candice so why not do it with Kane ?

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I'm bemused why they're having Kane return to RAW. I mean what is he going to do? There's no room in the title hunt for him' date=' and nobody's gonna buy into continuing the feud with Edge and Lita. So he's just gonna be another mid-carder.[/quote']

 

Im with ya on this.Kane has nothing going for him on RAW' date='the only way he can go is down.[/quote']

 

:help

 

Here's something for him to do: Hows about getting involved in a storyline?

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I would love for Kane to come out' date=' break Cena's throat with a steel chair, tombstone him on the steps, and finally chokeslam him off the stage to put him out of action for a year.[/quote']

 

Nah that wouldn't be very fair, give us at least two years.

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Anyone thought they might put Shane as an announcer' date=' seeing as he didn't show last week, he was pretty entertaining back in '99 when he commentated now and then[/quote']

 

Maybe but he is another colour man and RAW already has two of them in Jerry Lawler and Jonathon Coachman, they need a play-by-play man to replace Jim Ross.

 

I'm in two minds whether or not to stay up and watch RAW live, what do you guys think?

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Prepare for the Ultra-Awesome-MrFill-RAW-Rolling-Report. :)

 

Vince comes out and they show a JR getting put-down video package. He wobbles on about Taboo Tuesday.

 

They introduce the NEW lead announcer - The Coach. Coach comes out in a 10 gallon hat and thanks Vince. They actually leave Coach on commentary on his own.

 

Out back and Kurt runs into Vince, asks him what he has to do to get the Number One Contender spot after beating the hell out of Cena last week - I think we'd all like to know that. :D

Hurricane interrupts - What's Up Wit Dat? Vince comments about his sound effects being off, and sets Kurt on him - they "brawl" to the ring, quick squash by Kurt, even though he sells some for Helms.

Coach SUCKS BIG TIME on commentary on his own - he's just far too weak to do this solo.

 

Ad break and King comes out.

 

Vince is with Frosty Top - they talk about Taboo Tuesday and matches for tonight.

 

Edge vs Big Show is up next.

Oh look, Big Show is large so he doesn't move for stuff, that's interesting. No, really, it is... or something. Big Show is SO blown up as we go to an ad break.

 

We're back after an ad break and Edge stop the "Shush" slap, but Show sets him up again.

Coachism so far "Those steel stairs don't taste of chocolate". Erm, WHAT?

Show leans over the ropes and drapes and arm down for Lita to grab - she's so bad that she misses the cue and he's waiting there for about 5 seconds. While hanging onto the arm she tries to see if his arm will fill the gap between her boobs, but there's still loads of spare room.

Edge hits a Spear - Coach calls "GORE GORE GORE". :D

Edge tries to cheat with the chair, while the ref takes 5 minutes to get rid of it, Edge gets the case and JBL's music hits - during the ditraction, Choke Slam, goodnight. and Adverts.

 

Edge & Lita are moaning at Frosty. Edge hints at going to SD on Friday - so, do we expect a Matt Hardy appearance to jump him and kick off his SD stay?

 

Carlito is in the ring with his COOL t-shirt. He jokes at a picture of JR on the screen - out comes MICK~! Crowd are rabid for Foley. Mick ribs on Carlito about his hair being worse than his.

Foley ups JR. Rips on Linda and we have to suffer with her speaking. Good lord no, the pain! They play on her kick making JR's medical problem worse. Linda tries in vain to play the heel, but she's so bad that it's HORRIBLE!

Crowd bust out a "Dat's Not Cool" chant - now DAT'S COOL. :D

Carlito calls Mick the least cool person he's ever seen. Mick says he doesn't want to be cool, gets a CHEAP POP~! in there.

Carlito goes for the apple - tink about it, tis for da starvin children.

Mick cuts him off and asks if he can match up against HBK (including CHEAP POP~!).

No book plug, which is confusing - Foley appears to only be there for the pops and the ratings.

 

Back from the adverts and it's HBK vs Carlito.

CCC jumps HBK on the ramp, being the dastardly heel he is. Carlito getting lots of offence in here, HBK selling lots for Carlito.

HBK seems stunned that Carlito can actually wrestle, that's why he's so surprised.

Sleeper hold to slow things down and to give a chance for HBK to turn it around. But instead Carlito gets more offence in.

Carlito goes up top and almost falls, but he recovers for a cross body - HBK "rolls through" but Carlito kicks out at 2.

Oh, another sleeper to send the crowd to sleep.

More offence from Carlito as he hits a corner gut dropkick, but they have a crappy camera angle, even for the replay.

Carlito tries the Abdominal Stretch Of Doom, but HBK gets out of it.

Both go over the rope with a suplex, and they're down.

During the break (on Unlimited) they get back into the ring on a 9 count - LOADS of Chops.

Back from the break and Carlito tries to pin after a reverse Side Russian Leg Sweep.

Carlito is reversing TONS of HBK's offence, both men working TONS - this is Carlito's best match EVER! And I mean that.

Brainbuster looking suplex doesn't get the pin either, more chops, Carlito crotches himself on the turnbuckle.

HBK Kip Up, Atomic Drop, Clotheslines, ScoopSlam, Elbow Drop and SCM. Carlito reverses into a near pin.

Where HBK got the energy from we don't know.

Another irish whip reversals from Carlito - I don't think HBK has hit a single one.

Near chair shot on the ringpost - Carlito tries the chair, but SCM into the chair for the pin.

Carlito and HBK worked their butts off on this - the best RAW match for ages, and this includes Homecoming!

 

As HBK is heading to the back, Ric comes out with a HUGE bandage on his head.

Flair's entrance continues on Unlimited. He "ups" the crowd during the break. Still during the break he also "ups" HHH. Long part of the promo on Unlimited.

It returns live with Ric talking about HHH - this will look REALLY stupid to people who aren't watching Unlimited.

Ric's actually bleeding from under the bandage - he must have bladed to make it look better before he came out.

Insane moment as he does a fall mid-promo. He actually "ups" himself my referring to the plain crash and the lightning.

Pulling off the bandage he re-opens the wound and hits himself in the face to make it bleed more - there's blood ALL OVER his face and he wipes it on his shirt. This is makes Mass Transit look like a paper cut!

Out comes HHH - pop for the music, then the crowd boo at him. Ed will probably claim that I've said that the crowd was silent. :P

Flair chases HHH backstage with a baseball bat. Ric looking INSANE with the blood and he's asking "Why would you run from me?". More adverts

 

During the break on Unlimited the Heel bimbos come out with Victoria.

Back and they announce that Tickets are on-sale this Friday for Survivor Series.

 

It's Bimbo Maria with Carlito - he rants about Mick - Carlito challenges Foley for a match at TT.

 

6 woman tag coming up.

Trish, Ashley and Mickie James (Alexis Laree) come out - Mickie seems ULTRA happy to be there.

Trish & Victoria start it up. HORRIBLY contrived move from Victoria and Trish - she hits a couple of moves and takes the bimbos off of the apron.

Victoria comes back and beats on Mickie who comes back with a nice looking head scissors.

Victoria with a VERY quick roll up for the pin.

They've shown a LOT of Mickie's ass during this match.

Mickie then hits an UGLY-ASS Stratusfaction on Victoria to get Trish's approval.

 

Stone Cold is here, Bah Gawd, Stone Cold is here - he drives into the arena knocking stuff down - the divas aren't even clear of the ring area yet.

And they go to a break? Whose timing is this??

Stone Cold's entrance music plays for the whole ad break on Unlimited. It even repeats a couple of times.

SCSA talks about JR firing last week - CHEAP POP~! and he calls Vince out. He's got a whole case of beer to cover his wait.

Screech comes out instead.

Steve RIPS on Steph, saying that he's going to give a Stunner for a transvestite as she has big balls - Steph warns him not to touch her. She blames him that JR's not there - their timing for the promo is completely off as they keep on talking over each over.

He threatens to spank her, but he's got to be careful because her balls might fall out.

Coach stands up to defend her, which is obviously leading to Coach being Stunnered.

Steph says she has a proposition for him - he says he's got a 20 on him - she sets up Coach vs SCSA at Taboo Tuesday.

They refer to JR being "rehired by the WWE", not necessarily being on the announce desk if Steve Austin wins, but if he loses, he's fired - like he appears that often. :P

Stone Cold walks around to the announce desk... Steve crushes Coaches glasses, rips the shirt, takes his hat - Coach says he's not going to do anything tonight.

Hat is filled with beer than put on Coach's head - catch phrase city. No Stunner, which surprised me.

 

During the break the Battle Royal's entrants come out

 

Taboo Tuesday - Frosty gives the line-up.

HBK vs Flair.

Foley vs Carlito.

Diva Battle Royale.

Cena vs Kurt vs HBK/Show/winner - our choice.

 

Chav comes out to confront Frosty - he's going to do commentary.

Shock of shocks, out comes Kane for the Battle Royal - everybody backs off - Carlito tries to spit in his face and he messes up a ChokeSlam on CCC, but manages one and eliminates him.

Brawl. Big Vis goes out by Kane.

Ad Break. Tajiri out during the break. Snitsky out during the break, but Unlimited doesn't show it, but it's shown in replay.

Cade & Murdock eliminate Rosey.

Benjamin gets Kerwin out - Kane makes the tag champs look bad by eliminated them both. Kane then removes Banjamin.

More of Kane making tag teams look bad as he eliminates the Heart Throbs at the same time.

Kane resists the MasterLock being put on, and then goes on to win it.

 

Kane poses on the turnbuckes and makes the obligatory "belt" motions towards Cena.

Show end.

 

 

Well, some good, some bad, some absolutely horrible.

Good: Carlito vs HBK was a great match, Flair was insane which was brilliant, Alexis Laree is VERY cute.

Bad: Some severelly botched moves, the timing on the ad breaks.

The "meh" was Kane winning the Rumble as it was SO obvious.

The Horrible was Linda McMahon and Steph on the mic.

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