For all those who think that Bret can't let go...

[Guest The Beltster]

There ain't no proof, thus there are millions of doubts about it. Also who said Wrestling With Shadows wrapped up filming then? If they signed a contract saying we can use footage, then they can use footage. If would have to be so incredibly far fetched to say right we can use footage, but not until this screw job (which the camera team, and whole promotion would have to know about), and then we can the day after that, because we are gonna try and fool everyone. They started filming in 1996, I doubt there was anything saying they can't keep filming if it's in relation to what they are doing, plus Vince signed the contract.

 

I don't believe one way or another if it's a work or a shoot, but you can't say there is no doubt when there is loads, and the stuff you mentioned, doesn't prove anything.

 

I can say no doubt, because I personally have no doubt. I'm not saying its 100% simply because I cant without actual proof. But, I can say I have no doubt it was a work, because from everything I can see, I call work.

 

As for signing a contract, yeah, they signed a contract giving them permission to film their own doumentary using their OWN footage. Since when has Vince McMahon EVER given permission to anybody to use footage that he owns? Never, as far as I can remember.

[Guest The Beltster]

Plus the probable reason they are doing it' date=' is because they can make lots of money out of it, just like the history of the NWO one, and the rise and fall of ECW.[/quote']

 

Finally, a payday from all the years of working everybody. :xyx If Bret Hart turns up on TV anytime after this is put out there, and people STILL claim its a shoot, then they are nuts.

[Guest Dave7g]

Belty you are entitled to your own opinion, but stop demanding everyone to believe it. You think it was a work thats all, you think! I think otherwise for the obvious reasons that its clearly not. And thats what I Think. And I'm not "Nuts".

[Guest The Beltster]

Belty you are entitled to your own opinion' date=' but stop demanding everyone to believe it. You think it was a work thats all, you think! I think otherwise for the obvious reasons that its clearly not. And thats what I Think. And I'm not "Nuts".[/quote']

 

Ummm...I'm not demanding people believe it, as I could care less if you believe it or not. However, if you, or anybody else disputed my opinions with you're own, of course I'm going to defend what I believe to be the truth...isnt that what an internet chat forum is all about? I believe it is.

 

And read what you wrote: "For the obvious reasons that its clearly not!" Well, its not that obvious and clear, is it? Because there are alot of people here who believe otherwise.

[Guest malaphesto]

I was there and We did Boo HBK. why? because he ruined the greatest canadian wrestler. 2 why in the BLUE hell are we gonna boo our hometown hero's sidekick Christian. Not only that BUT mabey he could do us (the canadian fans a favor and NOT make fun of us)

P.S here in canada we always cheer heels:D (besides JBL)

[Guest MartynJ]

Well this DVD is gonna make vince alot of money, as we'll all proberly buy it to finely find out the TRUTH, but when it does come out it still proberly wont tell us, the ONLY way we'll ever know the complete truth is if BRET, HBK, and VINCE sit together and tell the true story on the DVD but thats never gonna happen, VINCE is smart and a genious for all this......... 8 years later, this as got to be the most talked about thing in wrestling upto date, i wonder if people are still going to be argueing over it in another 8 years time?

[Guest Ed_666]

The footage in Shadows was allowed because the peple that made it signed a contract with WWF to allow footage from matches and the Documentary had been filming for a year before Montreal.

 

Ok, let's repeat that last bit again - "Documentary had been filming for a year before Montreal"

 

Surely this must prove it was a work for a start off? What exactly were they going to put into this documentary, that they'd invested a year of filming to create, if it DIDN'T have the screw-job in it?

 

The whole thing was ABOUT the screwjob. Take that out and WWS would be about 12 mins long!

 

And you're saying it's just a huge coincidence that it was made at the time? Plus, as Belty said, Vince gave them extra footage from Raw to put into it, and Bret (who it was all about) didn't refuse to have that in there cause it made him look bad?

 

Face it, Montreal was the best thing that ever happened to Bret Hart and Vince - Vince went on to the Mr McMahon character, and Bret is remembered as the guy who got screwed. If he'd just left and dropped the belt, no-one would care about him any more, he'd just be another past champ like Diesel, Yokozuna, Sid etc who held the belt around the time.

 

All the evidence points to it being a work, and the only thing which points to it being a shoot is how well Bret and Vince pulled it off. And really how much did they do? Vince said "Bret screwed Bret" and Bret called him names a few times. Most of the rest of the heat is generated by fans who hate Vince for screwing Bret, and people on the net who talk about it. It generates it's own existance as a shoot.

 

That doesn't mean it's a shoot because it seemed like a shoot, it means it was a work, and a really, really good one.

 

Ed

[Guest FreeSpirit]

Was is a work? Was it a shoot? WHO CARES. The only real fact is that it's p*ssing me off that we're still talking about it 8 years later. Are we really ever gonna get anywhere with this until either Vince comes out and says 'sorry', or posibly 'gottcha'. Or Bret comes out and says 'I love you Vince'. Seroiusly guys. (And by guys I mean you, Vince, Bret, Shawn and about a million Canadians). Let it go. I tell you what though, if it was a work, Vince is an even bigger genius than anyone thought, I mean what an angle. And I wish Bret would grow up. I mean seriously, whining like a little b*tch about losing a WRESTLING MATCH. And that was after he'd already decided to jump ship for a bigger paycheck. What a f**king hypocrite. Lots of guys job in their hometown. Granted many know about it. But get over it. I mean how has it affected him. Really. It's just wrestling for crying out loud. And it's obvious it did nothing for his popularity based on Canadians reactions everytime Shawn Michaeals steps into Toronto. Good God. A little perspective would be great guys. Seriously.

 

OK. Rant over.

 

Good rant because I agree with everything you said WS. Im sick of heaing about the Montreal Screwjob. Its not like anyone died or was physically hurt and I personally coudnt care less if Bret was legitimately screwed or if it was a work.

[Guest Dave7g]

none of that proves it was a work at all it's just your opinion, if you ask me the whole Edge/Lita/Hardy thing is a work. Shadows was about Bret, thats the point, it took on a life of its own after Montreal. Montreal happened so just leave it alone.