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Right, nobody knows if this match is going to happen but if it does, there 3 ways it could go from my opinon (only)

 

1 .Both stay faces and Orton wins with undertaker passing on the torch with respect

 

2. Orton turning heel and going after him, winning at mania and bragging about killing the true legend (specialy if it is undertaters last match)

 

3. taker v orton (face or heel either way) and taker winning to keep his underfeated streak at mania and retire with respect of the fans (well me anyway)

 

there are loads of different ways it could go, but ME personly is a Undertaker fan and i will be very dissopointed if orton does face him and win, i cant think of ANBODY RETIRING yet?? without either loseing or been screwed in some sort of way, if taker is retireing, the least VINCE could do is let him keep his underfeatable streak at mania , after the LOYALITY he's given him over the past decade.

 

But nobody knows for defintly that it is his last match or he is retiring(how many times did terry funk retire? how many comebacks has the hulksta done)

 

i know a lot of you are orton fans on this Forum but if Orton beats taker at Mania he wont be a legend killer in my eyes it'll just been somebody taker jobbed to (if he is retireing?)

 

Anyway what do you people think?

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If Taker loses I'm going to be really REALLY pissed. He should have his Mania record stand at 13-0. He can then retire with so much respect and with his dignity. I will officially declare WWE dead to me if he loses.

couldnt agree more :worship

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HAD to re edit because there was only 4 replys but when id finished they was about 10

 

Damm (fav word on this forum) but so far everybody (well 4 people anyway lol)

as agreed that taker shouldent job to R.O

Shady makes a good point that it will help R.O with his momentum (but sod his momentum)

 

I was expecting all these orton lovers to be giving me crap about this thread but i think they know that taker should win, but we'll just wait till mania and see, but if orton wins ill be gutted, this realy as overshadowed the rest of mania for me, apart from hogan/piper/austin returns

BUT thats because im a bit of a old school fan LOL

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As much as I love Taker and as much as I have praised him endlessley, it is about time he left with a bang. While he is still on top. I do fear he is overstaying his welcome and the Heidenrich fued is prooving this. Its awful. Taker needs guys who can carry the brunt of the match. Even though JBL v Taker had some pretty good encounters, there is no on left Im really aching to see taker fued with. Id maybe like one more HBK v Taker match before he left..for old times sake...and one final KAne v Taker showdown.
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Im think people are just assuming it'll be soonish as he has dodgy hips' date=' isn't full time and has always said when he returns to the Deadman gimmick it'll be his last run in the WWE.[/quote']

 

ITS like i said at the beginning of this threat its all rumours but theres loads of them, so i dont know what to believe, but i hope not

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Somehow the Orton/Undertaker match is going to be used to turn Orton heel again. If there's gonna be a clear winner (ie pinfall/submission) I can't see the logic in the Undertaker going over. I'm only guessing, but Orton will have to go to Smackdown! just before or just after this match. Whatever the outcome of there Mania encounter, this feud would have to continue for the match to actually mean anything.
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Somehow the Orton/Undertaker match is going to be used to turn Orton heel again. If there's gonna be a clear winner (ie pinfall/submission) I can't see the logic in the Undertaker going over. I'm only guessing' date=' but Orton will have to go to Smackdown! just before or just after this match. Whatever the outcome of there Mania encounter, this feud would have to continue for the match to actually mean anything.[/quote']

 

It would make sence, more people to challenge JBL/CENA for the title especialy if taker does retire, even though as a face he never gets the belt always gets screwed in a way

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im by no means a huge orton fan but i still think he should go over the undertaker. Orton has taken so many backward steps since summerslam a loss at WM will only bury him further. it would really help him get back on track with a heel turn and to finally end takers streak. The undertaker will always be a legend no matter what happens so i dont see the problem in helping the next generation get over
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I think they should have Orton jump to Smackdown now, or go and interfere with one of Takers matches on Smackdown. That will get him instant heel heat. Everyone loves Taker. Have him do that once or twice and level Taker once, then have him ALMOST win at Mania, only to have Taker beat him. That would really help.
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I guess it all depends on how you leave the legacy and who you want to be remembered by. If taker wins and cuts all on screen ties then he will be a legend to all. But if he loses/keeps coming back then the legacy can be tarnished easily, especially for new fans. I remember Foley as the legend he is but for someone new to the wwe they may only know him as the guy who got spit on and jobbed to orton.

As with all things if you cut cleanly and on top then you remain a true legend forever. Milk it and things can go sour! (not that i'd turn down the kind of money vince would pay to keep him on!)

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They could try to do what they failed to do with Hide and seek. Have 'taker win but keep respect for both competitors. ie. Taker and Orton fight but its fairly equal, orton hitting the rko and getting a near two count. And then when taker does the sit up thing they could have orton not be a coward. having him show bravery all through the match would be a good way to keep his credibility. If they did it right it would be an interesting match...especially if there is some sign of mutual respect at the end.

 

But a heel turn at mania makes no sense. With his face fued with christian and face partnership with HBk there is no way this would work...unless my plan is utilized... It's the only way to keep his career going as a face.

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Taker needs to do two things win at Mania and win his 5th World Title, they are both personal ambitions and until he achieves those two things he will not retire.

 

Randy Orton has done nothing to deserve that match, nothing.

 

Taker will retire when he has achieved what he set out to achieve.

 

Another thing with The Undertaker character is this, he will always get screwed it is part of his make-up, in the early days he was set upon by more and more heels as time went by and none of them...yes, none of them stopped him. He needs this to happen to his character so that the fans care about him, basic psychology.

 

13 unlucky for some, is something I personally live by, 13 is one of my lucky numbers and always has been, the character of the Deadman has that same luck.

 

It has always taken more than one person to take me on in real life too, that is why I have an affinity to The Man from The Darkside.

 

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I'm saying now that this match is almost 100% on in my mind with the magazine incident on Raw (I wont reveal more incase you havent seen it).

 

It seems the perfect match to make Orton a heel and give him the momentum he needs. BUT I really don't think it would make any sense ending Taker's WM run - unless you say 13 is an unlucky number. I don't know why they don't just go with the tag match with Heidenberg and Snitskberg.

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If Taker loses I'm going to be really REALLY pissed. He should have his Mania record stand at 13-0. He can then retire with so much respect and with his dignity. I will officially declare WWE dead to me if he loses.

 

Sorry to bust your bubble Dante but thats exactly whats about to happen.After what was seen on Monday night Raw this past Monday the Taker/Orton thing is about to officially happen very soon. Orton will indeed turn heel again and will be pushed to beat Taker at Mania. Do I agree with it? Hell no! I feel the same way you do. He should be allowed to retire with a perfect record at Mania. They could've simply had Heidenreich and Snisky fight Taker and Kane in a hardcore tag team match and called it a day by having Taker and Kane getting the win.

 

But bringing Orton to Smackdown to challenge Taker at Mania is indeed a sign of desperaton IMO. I mean Shelton Benjamin doesnt have a opponent for Mania yet. Why not have Randy Orton vs. Shelton Benjamin again? At least it would be a title match. Even if they decide to go ahead and have Orton face Taker at Mania and defeat him it still wont change his current status. He'll still be outside of the World title picture.

 

And he'll still be held back from anything remotely bigger as well. A waste if you ask me. Orton vs. Taker? A joke of a match up. We all know Taker would kill Orton on any given day. But if they do wrestle at Mania look for Orton to break Takers record.

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Well they could always get Randy DQ'd somehow' date=' that way technically Taker beats him and he's 13-0, but Randy can also say Taker never beat him either.[/quote']

 

I think that'll be the best way to go. Undertaker's streak at Mania is the reason why he's a legend. :devil

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I think that'll be the best way to go. Undertaker's streak at Mania is the reason why he's a legend. :devil

And if Randy doesn't beat Taker in some way or other, he's not a "Legend Killer" anymore and we have damaged both wrestlers' reps. This DQ idea does of course work better if RKO is a heel (then again so does RKO himself).

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