Brand Split, Good or Bad for business?

[Guest The Franchise]

The reason everyone hates the WWE right now is because of terrible booking. How many times do you want to see h3 with the title? I'm not trying to try and turn this into a h3 bashing thread, but come on. They should have a system set up where there is interaction between shows. We're getting tired of the same old fueds over and over. And switching 6 wrestlers or so a year really doesn't help either.

 

As for the split I'm undecided. It gets tedious seeing the same fueds repeatedly, but they have pushed some new talent since they don't have huge stars taking up all the tv time.

 

I agree totally with what Dante had to say. The Brand split is good for the business.But keeping both shows away from each other is bad. Raw and Smackdown superstars should be allowed to go back and forth all the time instead of some of the time. Plus like he said about the HHH issue. Enough is enough. There are some many other stars thats being held down because of HHH hogging the spotlight. The IC champion basically is treated more like a jobber than the World champion is. Hell, whenever the World championship on around somebody elses waist HHH is still in the spotlight more than the champion. Those kind of things must change.

 

The same old feuds is getting boring. The lack of competitiveness needs to change. Faces and heels should have to face one another inside the ring whether they like it or not. Its all about fame,fortune,and glory isnt it? Well, why should faces and heels have to face the same people over and over again? Why should HHH have to fight only faces and a occasional heel?

 

Being the World champion means that you take on the very best thats thrown at you. Whether the crowd cheers you or boo you shouldnt matter. Thats why a wrestling top ten contenders list would make these things so much clearer. The NWA/WCW had one. The WWE needs one on both shows too. Plain and simple.

 

I mean why keep bringing in all this young talent when its apparent they dont know what to do with what they already have? :?

[Guest Bluestiger99]

I don't personally believe there is an answer to this. We either A) Have the big stars twice a week with hardly any new talent getting a push, or B)We get one show thats inferior to the other, with new talent pushed. They do however need to get rid of dead wieght and focus on making fueds worthwhile. But as stated before, there is no answer to this debate.

[Guest Jung]

See everything people are saying that's wrong with the brand split, is WWE booking decisions. Splitting the giant roster they have, can work, as it did work originally to begin with, then stupid decisions by the booking crew, means it's in the crummy situation it is now. Thus, if you end it, it's not gonna stop the bad booking, and the bad decisions. As I've said before, the wrong people will still get pushed, and we'll still have useless green stiffs being brought up, but instead of guys like the cruisers going, it will then be people like Christian who get overlooked by like Chris Masters.

 

It's fine saying the brand split is bad if you don't like it, but it's not the be all and end all of their problems. Thus by simply ending it, problems won't be gone, and they'll still be in just as bad situation. A brand split can work, if done right, with talent evenly spread (as it's obvious it's not even), and the right people are pushed, and they are two different brands (at the moment Vince and crew don't even care about SD, thus why very little people care about it). It's fine and all saying "end the brand split" but it's not the answer.

[Guest The Beltster]

ok fine, lets have ir you're way ok. If they must keep the brand split, then at least f'n do it right! Its so disgustingly uneven talent-wise, that the brand split is failing in every single way.

 

It was supposed to be used to EQUALLY split the brands thus freeing up more airtime for new stars to emerge, none of that has happened. We arent getting any more new stars coming through with the brand split than we were getting before the brand split. All we are seeing are more segments given to Evolution and JBL and more roster spots given to more and more useless, talentless morons like Gene Snitsky and John Heidenreich. And guys, please, I know some of you seem to like those two bumbling idiots, maybe because of their gay ass promos, but if you are being honest, you know they are talentless *****s who cant put on a good match if their life depended on it. It makes me laugh really, because the majority of people who mark out for the totally worthless Gene Snitsky are the same people who say they dont like Hogan cos he cant wrestle! lol Oh dear. Pot + Kettle = Black.

 

Anyways, back to what I was saying before. Everything the roster split was put into place to do, it has failed to do. You cant blame it all on booking, because although the booking hasnt been great, there is also a huge lack of top shelf, name talent which is where the roster split becomes the main problem. There isnt enough name talent to have 2 seperate brands. Sure, there are enough wrestlers, but not enough over, name talent who people care about, this is why we are seeing SmackDown! sink into the depths of pergitory, because the roster split is killing it.

[Guest Jung]

Ok I see some common ground at all. I never argued the points you made in terms of what was wrong, I just felt you can't blame the brand split for that. The people in charge, decide who's on each show, and the fact both shows have been successful at some point, shows a roster split can work, it's just they are seemingly incapable of dividing it equally.

 

Now in ure second paragraph, you say the things it should do, which it hasn't, which I totally agree with. Now all the other things you list which have happened, but be what would happen if it was just 1 show. More HHH and JBL, and losers like Snitsky and Heidy getting pushes. Except now it wouldn't be on 2 shows, just 1.

 

I understand where you are coming from, in that SD doesn't have enough topline talent. But where I'm coming from, is ending the brand split, won't end WWE overall being a lousy product, because everything you've said that's happened, will keep on happening, but now it will be on 1 show, and not 2.

[Guest Gooneronastick]

Its so disgustingly uneven talent-wise, that the brand split is failing in every single way.

 

It was supposed to be used to EQUALLY split the brands thus freeing up more airtime for new stars to emerge, none of that has happened. We arent getting any more new stars coming through with the brand split than we were getting before the brand split. All we are seeing are more segments given to Evolution and JBL and more roster spots given to more and more useless, talentless morons like Gene Snitsky and John Heidenreich. And guys, please, I know some of you seem to like those two bumbling idiots, maybe because of their gay ass promos, but if you are being honest, you know they are talentless *****s who cant put on a good match if their life depended on it. It makes me laugh really, because the majority of people who mark out for the totally worthless Gene Snitsky are the same people who say they dont like Hogan cos he cant wrestle! lol Oh dear. Pot + Kettle = Black.

 

Anyways, back to what I was saying before. Everything the roster split was put into place to do, it has failed to do. You cant blame it all on booking, because although the booking hasnt been great, there is also a huge lack of top shelf, name talent which is where the roster split becomes the main problem. There isnt enough name talent to have 2 seperate brands. Sure, there are enough wrestlers, but not enough over, name talent who people care about, this is why we are seeing SmackDown! sink into the depths of pergitory, because the roster split is killing it.

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that Raw was always supposed to be the superior brand, hence when SD started producing some half-decent storylines they started moving the stars about. Its why the cruisers are on SD (coz Vince only likes the big guys).

[Guest The Beltster]

I'm sure I read somewhere that Raw was always supposed to be the superior brand' date=' hence when SD started producing some half-decent storylines they started moving the stars about. Its why the cruisers are on SD (coz Vince only likes the big guys).[/quote']

 

I heard the same thing. Apparently, Vince wanted to make SD! so poor that it got cancelled so he could get out of his deal with UPN...how much truth there is to that, though, I dont know. I cant imagine Vince would purposely hurt his own product, but after seeing the shows for the past 2 years, I guess I can.

[Guest tazz13]

jungmuta is completely right

 

the roster split is not the problem...smackdown in late 2002-early 2003 after the split was one of the best pure wrestling shows you'll ever see (with heyman booking) and raw has been a pretty good show for about a year now, because the writing is good and focused

 

so the potential is there for a branded show to be successful

 

the problem now is the medicore writing...combining the rosters will not fix that...do you want to see triple h and taker twice a week?...you won't even get to see paul london wrestle, let alone get any sort of push

[Spiritchaser 107]

I personally would watch Taker 7 times a week, and if you listen to commentary on RAW the use "the premier brand in sport entertainment" quite a lot.

 

RAW is the original thus it will be "the grandaddy" and SmackDown was "The Rock's Show" and without him SmackDown is pointless.

 

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[Guest Bluestiger99]

I wouldn't mind watching Taker more often. Unless the booking improves and talent gets more evenly spread out WWE are going to kill themselves with this though. Smackdown has shown it can be a good show, but that was about 2 years or so ago.

[Guest RKODESTINY]

It is bad no matter how way you cut it..Alot of talents aren't gettgin to use their full potential because of the fact that they are big fish in small ponds anymore..They need to be more equally split up.Infact they need to be rejoined and better things begin.