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Rumble finish - work or shoot?  

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  1. 1. Rumble finish - work or shoot?

    • Work, it was planned all along
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From the WO Newsletter:

 

]The ending of the WWE Royal Rumble this year was not the one scripted going in.

 

The original plan was to have John Cena escape from a Batista powerbomb one time, then get powerbombed a second time and tossed for the win. However, both men lost their balance and fell out of the ring together, sending the refs into a panic.

 

At first, they declared Batista the winner, but since it was clear Batista fell first, Vince called an audible from the back.

 

He went ahead with a tie storyline with Raw referees declaring Batista the winner and Smackdown referees declaring Cena the winner. Vince also decided to come down personally and direct the rest, and of course was injured as he came into the ring. He directed everyone from his seated position, including the ending that did go down, with Batista tossing Cena relatively quickly.

 

I've actually got a bit of respect for Vinnie Mac now. He booked it on the fly, and even managed to give the instructions whilst in a helluva lot of pain. As they say, anything can happen in the WWE :P.

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Respect to Vinnie, what is an audible from the back? Does a ref have an earpiece in for instructions?

 

It's quite ironic how when Batista is supposed to be selling moves and going over the ropes during matches he can't do it so rolls over the middle rope, but when he isn't supposed to be going over he manages to fall over the top rope!

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Respect to Vinnie' date=' what is an audible from the back? Does a ref have an earpiece in for instructions?[/quote']

Yup, they all do. There's a table backstage for everyone to give instructions to the referees, the commentators, etc.

 

I could believe this (and if DA MELTZ~! reported it, it's gospel, folks), and it'd make sense. I've heard for a good week or two that Vince was not meant to come out, and it did look quite a weird elimination in all honesty. Plus, the referees aren't that good actors. They waited a small while before starting to claim winners. So I can fully believe this.

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Plus' date=' the referees aren't that good actors. They waited a small while before starting to claim winners. So I can fully believe this.[/quote']

 

No way, they both started claiming the other was a winner straight away! One ref grabbing Batistas hand and the other Cena's, they started that as soon as they hit the floor. If Batista was supposed to win, NOBODY would have gone anywhere close to Cena to hold up his hand.

 

Not only that, but come on guys, when Batista went for the powerbomb, he positioned himself to take the rope bump, it was so obvious. This was supposed to happen, there is no doubt about that at all.

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I keep watching it now' date=' because it's intriguing me now, and I'm not sure. It may be obvious to you, but I must be missing something crucial, because it's honestly not that obvious to me.[/quote']

 

Watch how Dave positions for the Powerbomb. He grabs Cena by the sideropes, then sets him for the move, while moving himself into the middle of the ring, and turning his back to the aisle ropes, and takes a look back to make sure he is in the right place. Then he hoists up Cena, basically runs backwards fast to get the momentum to take the back bump over the ropes and doesnt even try to stop himself.

 

Batista is a big, strong man. There is no way he would ever lose his balance powerbombing a guy the size of John Cena, especially not enough to fly all the way back from mid-ring and hard and fast enough to fly over the ropes backwards. If he knew he was booked to win the Rumble, and for one second he thought he was about to fall over the ropes, he would have dropped down or prevented it some other way.

 

Add to this the way Batista and Cena both threw each other out in frotn of Vince after to 'prove' they were the winner...it was an obvious set up to make sure that Batista won and Cena was made to look like he could have just as easily won and so he stays strong heading into WM21.

 

This info is false, I have no doubt. Its just more internet BS rumours, nothing more.

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Ha! It seems as if the story is true. If you watch closely, Batista stumbles backwards while Cena pushes more of his weight towards the ropes to try and get down. Batista tries to stay upright while Cena is evidently trying to get either off batista or over the rope. However, if you watch Cena's hands, he grabs the top rope as he is falling over (Improvising the finish a first time), but Batista is still losing his balance and with the poor leverage of the top rope combined with Cena's weight still on his right arm and head, Batista is pulled over the top rope too.

 

Another piece of evidence towards this is the fact that batista clearly hit the ground first yet the Raw referee was instantly acting upon Cena being eliminated. The way JR calls Batista winning the match is unlike the usual "draw" storyline.

 

If anyone wants me to upload this segment, feel free to ask and I'll do it.

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Yup, they all do. There's a table backstage for everyone to give instructions to the referees, the commentators, etc.

 

I could believe this (and if DA MELTZ~! reported it, it's gospel, folks), and it'd make sense. I've heard for a good week or two that Vince was not meant to come out, and it did look quite a weird elimination in all honesty. Plus, the referees aren't that good actors. They waited a small while before starting to claim winners. So I can fully believe this.

 

Can't they have someone (i.e Tazz) sitting at the table and telling J.R the names of the moves and telling Lawler what to say so his commentary actually sounds good?

 

What do you mean the refs arene't good actors? Are you telling me that when Hebner turns his back on the action because he is being "distracted" by thin air that he isn't convincing? :lol

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Yeah the earpieces are there so that if something needs to be altered, they can tell the ref, and the ref relays to the wrestlers to get it done, and the commentators are informed so that they can call the action more informed.

 

RF, if you would upload it, would be much grateful. I'm still sure that the story is true, because it makes a lot of sense watching it, and it's not like it's a 14 year old kid reporting it. This is a guy formerly on Vince's payroll who has more contacts than this forum has members and is regarded by almost everyone in the business (Flair, HHH, Bret, Tenay, Raven, Heenan, just to name a few quoted as putting him over) as the only guy on the internet who is a respectable journalist (Wade Keller seems to have made a few enemies, particularly in Raven and John Bradshaw Leyfield). An overbearing smark I may sound, but I'm not that doubting when a) I can see it for myself and b) who this guy actually is.

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Yep, I'm almost certain it wasn't planned at all now. You can hear crystal clear the SmackDown referees confiring to each other that Cena touched the floor first. Korderas asks if he touched, Robinson tells him he did, and Korderas actually backs off and agrees. Then about three seconds later, Korderas looks around, and you can see he's receiving instructions because of his facial expressions. Cena is rolling into the ring, and Jack Doan can hear something too, and tells Korderas to raise Cena's hand. Then they play from there.

 

So yeah, I'm pretty sure Meltzer was right.

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Well I'm watching it again and again, and it's quite clear without even reading Meltzer's report than it's not planned.

 

- Batista falls back and both men fall over.

- The SmackDown refs go to Cena, and clearly ask each other if Cena's feet hit first. Robinson says he did.

- Again, Korderas asks if he landed first, is told he did, and gives the back off signal.

- As Batista's hand is raised, both Doan and Korderas can be seen hearing something, because their expressions soon change. Doan adjusts his earpiece and Korderas goes over to Cena, who is getting up.

- Doan walks over to Korderas and audiably tells him to raise Cena's hand, which they try to, except that Cena is trying to climb into the ring.

 

 

So unless it was a HUGELY planned out finish, I'm sticking by my guns too :)

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I did think the SD! ref was rather slow to claim Cena as the winner after Bastista's hand had been raised... Did he find it difficult to hear the instructions over the crowd noise perhaps?
I noticed this too and thought it was a little weird at the time but didnt think anything else of it.
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I thought it was planned but watching it back on the clip posted you can tell it actually wasn't just from hearing and seeing the refs and their actions. Doesn't matter that much anyway as it worked out fine in the end, only bad thing about it was Vince coming out and getting that leg injury which he obviously wouldn't have got if it wasn't for the bodged finish...
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I can see both sides of the argument here.

 

For the argument i can see:

 

- The SD ref took a while to claim Cena the winner

- The camera would usually be at a different angle rather than right on top of the incident incase it looked obvious

 

Against the arugment:

 

- They would have had Batista's music ready play as soon as he won, but didnt play it when the Raw ref raised his hand

- Cena rushed quickly back into the ring

- JR says ''My god they both went out'' and doesnt claim Batista won

- During the debate both Batista and Cena throw each other out again and claim there the winner

- They would be wanting to make Cena look as good as possible heading into WM

 

EDIT: Listen closely and you can clearly hear Jack Doan say to Jimmy Korderas ''Raise his hand'', but as he trys to raise Cena's hand, Cena is rushing back into the ring. So i think that clears it up, as i am 100% sure that it wasnt a planned finish :)

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If they were planning to draw surely they wouldn't have used a move which could easily have gone so very wrong? Batista went over the ropes on his back and had no control over when he was gonna fall with Cena putting so much weight on his upper body. They would have spun round first with Cena pulling Batista in a hurricarana type of move like Rey Mysterio uses to take people over the top rope if they both wanted to go over like that. The timing needed to be perfect or else another Rock/Show Rumble finish could have happened but worse, as it happened the timing was just pure luck. The last time they did a draw with Benoit and Edge on RAW to decide that #1 Contender thing they kept it really simple by holding each other on the apron and jumping off together which looked terrible but that was a planned draw; compare this to that and you can see the difference between a planned draw, and a mistake!
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When they both went over together at first I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to happen like that. They sure as hell made a good job of landing at exactly the same time though. Nice work there guys, much better than Luger and Bret going over the top in that namby pamby way back in the day.

 

I really didn't know where they were going to go with it. Vince coming out and landing on his ass, and then just sitting there like an idiot was amusing, and made him look like a complete chump.

That was my initial reaction, I was convinced at first that it was all a **** up and they weren't both supposed to go over and everything just seemed a little bit wrong.

 

Besides, like is said, if Meltzer says it happened like that then it almost certainly did. His opinions can be crap sometimes but his factual stuff is 99.9% always right.

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In re: Dra's last post above - Just watching it again now and it really is Korderas and Robinson, the SD! ref's who make it very obviously not a work.

 

[edit] Nearly forgot:

 

Why would there not be a mic' ready for McMahon if he was planning on coming down to ringside? If he's going to work the audience in this fashion then the least he would normally do is get on the microphone and tell the fans about it...

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You can here the Smackdown refs pointing at Cena and saying "He hit first. He hit first", then after a moment they rush to go raise Cena's hands. That wasn't a work.

 

But also, JR could have been shocked at seeing both men go over instead of the plan of Batista winning.

 

About the throwing each other over, maybe Tista thought that up on the fly?

 

Also, Tista just positions Cena in the middle of the ring for the powerbomb as he always does, he never looks back. And when he lifts Cena up he takes a single step back but Cena has all of his weight leaning towards the ropes, but when they approach he tries to lean back maybe in effort to get off.

 

OIr look at it this way. In order to sell himself tiried Tista acts like he can't keep the wait of Cena up, stumbles backwards, and plans to hit the bomb at the last second but doesn't expect himself to be as tired as he was and Cena leaning foward couldn't have helped anthing.

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Im not sure too, but It was planned is a prefect move to bring up the emotions there because ALL know Batista is the one designed to walk out as winner, bringing the las second expectation of Cen´as win.

 

3 thing about is unexpected:

 

The SD! refeeres clearly makes the "Is done" sign beafore Cena´s was up the ring again.

The confiusion on Tista face, when Vince is in the floor, is saying "Uh oh"....

The fact of the mic mentioned before, is something usual in WWE

 

And for the "planned" side:

 

The Cameras turn fast to the entrance before Vince makes his entrance.

Hugo Cabrera says "Is the Boss!, is really pissed off" in the spanish transmition. Like J.R. they waits for a clear winning of Batista.

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