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Good God above! This is from the most powerful nation on Earth!

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. youngsters participating in federally funded abstinence-only sex-education courses often get inaccurate or misleading information, the Washington Post has reported.

According to a congressional staff analysis, some courses teach that touching a person's genitals can lead to pregnancy, abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, and half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, the Post said.

 

The report, prepared for California Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman, reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease, the Post said.

 

The Bush administration will provide $170 million (88 million pounds) next year to groups that teach abstinence only. Several million children age nine to 18 have participated in more than 100 federal abstinence programs since they began in 1999.

 

The report found that 11 of the 13 most commonly used curricula in such programs contained unproved claims, subjective conclusions or outright falsehoods regarding reproductive health, the Post said.

 

Waxman's staff found the curricula included misconceptions such as a 43-day-old foetus is a "thinking person," HIV can be spread through tears and sweat and condoms failed to prevent HIV transmission in 31 percent of the time in heterosexual intercourse, the Post said.

 

"I have no objection to talking about abstinence as a sure-fire way to prevent unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. I don't think we should lie to our children about science," Waxman told the newspaper.

 

Credit: Reuters.com

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Well, I have no idea about the statistic that half the gay male teenagers have tested positive for AIDS, sounds most unlikely to me, but depending on what part of a female's body touches male genitals, pregnancy is possible. You guys aren't just fertile at the moment of ejaculation you know, that clear stuff leaked while sexually excited also contains those determined little tadpoles!! These can find where they're supposed to go and do their job, even if the tip of the male does no more than brush against the corresponding female part. Abortion, although sometimes medically necessary, can lead to sterility for a number of reasons, and suicide caused by post-natal and/or guilt-induced depression following an abortion is more common than you would think. Lessons to be learnt?? Don't necessarily abstain (unless you're under 16), just always be careful!!

 

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i love the way they just saying touching a persons genitals can lead to pregnancy. they dont say somneone elses etc

 

I think i'll just go for a leak.... o dear lord Im pregnant and Im a bloke. How the hell did this happen. Why wasnt i told about this in Sex Education at school. Damn you English Education System, if i was american this would never have happened

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never' date=' evvvver do any physical activity![/quote']

 

 

your talking about americans here that ain't an issue for most of them

 

personally i find the abstinence thing hilarious, not giving them any information is the dumbest thing ever and telling people 'don't do this' never works if you don't give them real info.. and notice how alot of this is probably coming from the christian groups so they are using it to attack gays at the same time! I actually the thing about half of gay males having aids at one time was close to being true, but only when aids was first identified and no one really knew much about it.

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personally i find the abstinence thing hilarious' date=' not giving them any information is the dumbest thing ever and telling people 'don't do this' never works if you don't give them real info.. and notice how alot of this is probably coming from the christian groups so they are using it to attack gays at the same time! I actually the thing about half of gay males having aids at one time was close to being true, but only when aids was first identified and no one really knew much about it.[/quote']

 

Teaching abstinence doesn't mean not telling kids about it. That would be stupid. Abstinence is not doing it. Simple as that. A proper abstinence program is truly educational. I wish that I had had that kind of information when I was a young man getting it on with every pretty girl who I could get into my bed. I wish that I had saved myself for marriage.

 

Recently I heard some interesting statistics about planned parenthood, or the just wear a condom approach. None of the various versions that I have seen deal with any of the emotional and psychological issues which are a part of sex. They treat it as a simply physical act which I feel to be gross negligence of some very important issues.

 

Christians, real ones who are actually trying to live and model God's love, don't hate or persecute homosexuals. We do not agree with what they do but we don't hate anyone. That is a false stereotype that has been perpetuated for too long.

 

If not agreeing with someone is persecuting them then there are several persons here at TWO who are constantly guilty of persecuting Christians for their beliefs. We are supposed to cheer on others for their beliefs and lifestyles but no one returns that favor. Kinda lopsided huh?

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Teaching abstinence doesn't mean not telling kids about it. That would be stupid.

 

In Bush's america it does and you're right it is stupid, but then there are places where evolution is taught as a 'theory' not a scientific fact... wait thats america too!!!

 

and i did not mean to sound like all Christian were anti gay but again the evangelical groups that have Bush's ear have the tendancy to have Ultra conservative anti gay view... i.e. that allowing gay marriage would open the way for people who were into beatiality (look it up because i am not telling you what it is) would be able to marry their dog or whatever

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In Bush's america it does and you're right it is stupid' date=' but then there are places where evolution is taught as a 'theory' not a scientific fact... wait thats america too!!![/quote']

Can't agree with you. No one actually believes that ignoring the existence of a fire will keep the house from burning down.

And evolution is a theory. 2 quick points:

1) It is officially recognized as the THEORY of evolution. Look up the definition of the word theory.

2) If no one were there to see it happen it's a theory. Personally I believe that GOd created it all but did it over time. The seven days in the bible could be metaphoric... then again they could be literal. He could do it that way. Man and many animals have evolved but they had to come into being at some point. The odds of all this happening by pure chance are too high to remember but its an astronomical number.

 

...and i did not mean to sound like all Christian were anti gay but again the evangelical groups that have Bush's ear have the tendancy to have Ultra conservative anti gay view... i.e. that allowing gay marriage would open the way for people who were into beatiality (look it up because i am not telling you what it is) would be able to marry their dog or whatever

I agree that if you give people an inch they will take a mile. Have you ever heard of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Alliance or Association? They are a group of sicko men who want to legalize the act of grown men having sex with little boys. They hope the gay marriage thing works out so that they can argue their agenda. So that means that the above-mentioned argument against gay marriage is not so far fetched as it may sound.

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actually the part of america where people wanted to change the curriculum (Georgia i think) were actually taking it LITERALLY and 'theory of evolution' may be what it is called but there is anthropological and archeological evidence that supports it and proves that it is a fact, however i am not saying a higher power is not resposible for life starting.

 

and as for the sickos wanting to legalise sex with little boys...

Homosexuality - Legal

Paedophilia - Very wrong and Illegal

 

Also Bush is trying to make Abstinence the ONLY thing taught in schools as far as sex education, no mention of any form of protection such as condoms. As i said it is pretty much a fact that if you tell teens not to do something then a fair number of them WILL try it so not telling teens all the facts and all the options is pretty much a disaster waiting to happen! Except the disaster HAS happened, America is 1# in the world for births under 20... more than double canada in 2# spot (source: Stupid white men by Michael Moore, Chapter 8 'we're number 1!' pg 177)

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actually the part of america where people wanted to change the curriculum (Georgia i think) were actually taking it LITERALLY and 'theory of evolution' may be what it is called but there is anthropological and archeological evidence that supports it and proves that it is a fact' date=' however i am not saying a higher power is not resposible for life starting.[/quote']

Again read the dictionary definition of thoery. There is data which, when interretted a certain way, could support that theory. However, I learned in my college accounting classes that numbers can be arranged to show a variety of contradictory outcomes.

 

and as for the sickos wanting to legalise sex with little boys...

Homosexuality - Legal

Paedophilia - Very wrong and Illegal.

I agree but as I said, that group hopes to ride the coat-tails of the gay marriage movement in trying to get their "lifestyle" or "orientation" or whatever they call it this week, recognized by legal sanction. After all, they can argue that they were born that way and unfortunately who's to naysay them?

 

Also Bush is trying to make Abstinence the ONLY thing taught in schools as far as sex education' date=' no mention of any form of protection such as condoms. As i said it is pretty much a fact that if you tell teens not to do something then a fair number of them WILL try it so not telling teens all the facts and all the options is pretty much a disaster waiting to happen! Except the disaster HAS happened, America is 1# in the world for births under 20... more than double canada in 2# spot (source: Stupid white men by Michael Moore, Chapter 8 'we're number 1!' pg 177)[/quote']

 

1) Michael Moore is a grade A jerk who has been caught twisting and misrepresenting facts. The longer he goes on the more support he loses from those who once embraced him. His only goal is to keep his rather portly posterior in the spotlight and in the money for as long as possible. he does nothing from a sense of patriotism or humanitarian desire to aid mankind. Also it again comes down to his "interpretation" or "presentation format".

2) Kids need to understand the process as well as ALL the consequences. Prior American high school school programs, (and I know because I went thorough one in the early 80's), taught the parts and the biological process as well as potential complications such as STD's or pregnancy, but nothing of the emotional and psychological ramifications of engaging in something for which kids are biologically prepared but not emotionally or psychologically ready. Again I speak from experience as I was a very promiscious teen. I wish that I had handy the statistics I heard form one of my friends on Wednesday. The suicide rate, both male and female, for those who engage in premarital promiscious activity is much greater than for those who do not.

Also, and again I speak from experience, kids who simply hear about the mechanics of sex don't think about the possibility of STD's and/or pregnancy as seriously as they should. We sure didn't when I was young. If they did they would keep their mouths closed and their pants zipped. The kids in my homewtown were a bunch of rabbits jumping from partner to partner like a pack of unbridled animals. Ask any of the people I knew growing up who had to deal with young pregnancy and how they may not regret the lovely child they have but do regret that moment of passion spent which changed the course of their lives in ways for which they were unprepared.

 

I'm, not saying that we should keep kids in the dark, but the current programs are the reason we are in the mess we are in because kids aren't getting the whole story.

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Exactly Darkstar quite often Moore is correct in what he says though he spins it a bit... but who doesn't spin these days? However I still contend that Evolution is widely excepted as a scientific fact and really only religious zealots still argue the creation story from the bible is fact and frankly i am a little to worldly to put blind faith in that where as the is proof that evolution exists (and no i don't mean Batista :P) and i forgot to say earlier that when the people inGeorgia were trying to make the Creation story be taught instead of Evolution most people were said to find it very embarrassing as it made Georgians sound backward (i saw the story on yahoo.com but it was a while ago, still if you search you may find it) Edited by Anime Otaku
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Unfortunalty religion (IMO) tends to blind people from things like common sense and scientific fact. Yes it is only a theory, but thats only because it's so hard to prove 100% that it did happen. Which is true for anyhing. Needless to say, theres a hell of a lot more proof for evolution than for an omnipotent being creating the universe. Blind faith is fine, but it takes someone outside of religion to see just how f**king ridiculous the whole thing is. Again, thats just my opinion. Im not 'anti-christian' (man do those guys love the us against the world approach), I just happen to think their ideas are wrong. Nothing wrong with that last time I checked. Although I will admit right here that all religion bugs the hell out of me. Such a waste of time. Stop worrying about the afterlife and get on with your current one I say.
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Unfortunalty religion (IMO) tends to blind people from things like common sense and scientific fact. Yes it is only a theory' date=' but thats only because it's so hard to prove 100% that it did happen. Which is true for anything. ...but it takes someone outside of religion to see just how f**king ridiculous the whole thing is. Nothing wrong with that last time I checked. Although I will admit right here that all religion bugs the hell out of me. Such a waste of time. Stop worrying about the afterlife and get on with your current one I say.[/quote']

 

1st Corinthians 1:27 "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"

 

One day it will all become undenaibly clear. Romans 14:11 , "For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God".

 

Im not 'anti-christian' (man do those guys love the us against the world approach)...

Who are you trying to kid?

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i'm guessing that since you don't accept evolution is a reality that makes you one of the 'foolish things' then

Also i don't think welsh scouser is anit christian just because he doesn't agree with Organised religion, he may be Agnostic and i also think some christians do have the type of attitude he described.. and your reaction machomat makes me think you are one of them

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i'm guessing that since you don't accept evolution is a reality that makes you one of the 'foolish things' then

Also i don't think welsh scouser is anit christian just because he doesn't agree with Organised religion, he may be Agnostic and i also think some christians do have the type of attitude he described.. and your reaction machomat makes me think you are one of them

 

No. It's funny that you take the verse out of context due to your being blinded to the truth. Well, sad... but funny at the same time. Perhaps you intentionally take it out of context so as to not have to see my point. I suspect that to be the case.

 

But enough of this. You will believe what you want to, at least for now. I'll just leave you to it.

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There is a weight of evidence to support the theory of evolution, yet only a "chinese whisper" style book (aka The Bible") to support the God theory. I know which one I'm voting for. How many people have died at the hands of evolutionists compared to those who have died at the hands of people who believe in religion? Religion is pure evil.
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The size, position and angle of the earth is a scientific phenomenon to see

 

A few degrees closer to the sun and we'd disintegrate, a few degrees further and we'd freeze.

 

The axis of the earth is tilted at a perfect 23 degree angle, and it's no mistake that it is. This allows equal global distribution to the rays of the sun making it possible for the food chain to exist.

 

Or take for example the combination of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere that we breathe.

 

It just happens to be the exact mix that life needs to prosper, it doesn't happen on any other planet that way.

 

It simply boggles the mind to think that the stars will rotate with such exact precision that it's true. That the atomic clock with an error factor of less than three seconds per millenium is set by the way they move.

 

Did you know the moon controls the tides? The tides drag impurities into the depths of the sea, it's nature's constant recycling chain.

 

I'ts impossible to say that God doesn't exist, if God doesn't exist than neither would we.

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No. It's funny that you take the verse out of context due to your being blinded to the truth. Well, sad... but funny at the same time. Perhaps you intentionally take it out of context so as to not have to see my point. I suspect that to be the case.

 

But enough of this. You will believe what you want to, at least for now. I'll just leave you to it.

And you wonder why people couldn't give a sh*t about you or your opinion?

 

Don't bother moaning about TWO's "anti-christian" policy when you're ridiculing people for being "blinded", and then acting like the victim. Don't push your beliefs onto people. "Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you" - there's a verse for you to memorise.

 

You're so full of utter bull sometimes, it's not even funny.

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I'ts impossible to say that God doesn't exist

It's impossible to say he does either. There's no way of knowing for 100% sure not in our hearts but for absolute concrete evidence. To be honest, there's nothing 100% in this world. Everything is up for personal interpretation and belief. Some belief one thing, others believe another. Whatever you believe in is fine. Just don't push it onto others *cough Macho*

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It's impossible to say he does either. There's no way of knowing for 100% sure not in our hearts but for absolute concrete evidence. To be honest' date=' there's nothing 100% in this world. Everything is up for personal interpretation and belief. Some belief one thing, others believe another. Whatever you believe in is fine. Just don't push it onto others *cough Macho*[/quote']

 

I don't push my beliefs on anybody. I just wonder why people jump on me for expressing my beliefs and yet they try to shove theirs down my throat you hypocrite.

Doesn't really matter though. I'm about tired of you, your clique (that you pretend you don't have), your double standards for conduct and your intentional ridiculing of anything that doesn't agree with you and your oppinion, which is the same thing you accuse me of.

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