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Jung did a double post of threads. I deleted one and Chris deleted the other at the same time. Doh!

 

Anyway, here is Jungs post:

 

Ok, after recent angles and events, I've honestly started to believe they won't be. Absolutely no future foresight or ideas apart from push Triple H over everyone else, it's just getting ridiculous.

 

At the way they are going I reckon they wont last it, at this rate, and I don't care how much money they supposedly have, cause they'll be losing a lot soon. But what do you think???

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Hehe nice guys comedy accident hehe.

 

I should really explain why I think this. Mainly its because I really can't see how they are going to get out of their current rut. With the likelihood that Triple H will be in charge when Vince dies unless he and Steph split, I can't see his push ever dying down, which surely means how will anyone ever be seen as the figurehead if they aren't ever given the chance to shine and be the top star?

 

Plus the writers are becoming more TV orientated and yes men to Vince, and have very little knowledge of wrestling itself, that I really am very wary about their future. If they get past 10, I can't see it being in any decent shape at all.

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Will WWE be around in 10 years? Yes

 

Will it be as good as it has been? I doubt it.

 

I totally agree with the HHH point ( I'm not bashing HHH, just making a point ) and IMO it does resemble the Hogan pushing of the 80's where he got pushed beyond all others. I got sick of Hogan and marked out when he was getting bashed and if I'm honest, I feel the same about HHH.

 

I just hope that WWE come to their senses soon and start pushing other stars as much as HHH before it's too late.

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Yes it will be around. Back in 1994 (a period when a lot of people didnt like WWF (I did though)) I bet people were discussing would it be around in 2004 and it is. WWE will always have good and bad periods, this is a bad one, yes, but I have faith Vince will turn it around.
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I'd say WWE in 2004 is in a healthier state than when it was in 1994, and 1994 was the crud before the Attitude Era.

 

WWE now is not bad, per se, just a bit too formulaic.

 

When they give storylines back to the wrestlers and away from the soap writers is when wrestling will pick up again.

 

No one can deliver a convincing match better than the guys who have to act it. A bloke who writes Mills and Boone garbage who has never wrestled in his life will clearly struggle to get it right.

 

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this is currently a giant downturn in business and they still aren't even remotely close to going out of business, so yes they will be around in 10 years

 

they just had a terrible quarter and still made a 4 million dollar profit

 

this is no where near as bad as the mid 90s when they held monday night raw in gymnasiums and were near bankruptcy

 

the company has several HUNDRED million dollars in cash and assets...they aren't going anywhere

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I wish people would open up their eyes and stop believing imaginary things.

 

WWE now is no healthier state than it was in 1994. In fact in 94, it wasn't terrible, and there was plenty of potential. You look now it possible people to realistically push and who have you got? In 94 they had Bret, Luger, Yoko, HBK, Hall, Nash, Owen, all getting possible pushes. And now what? Triple H, Orton and JBL? Anyone else they aren't sure with, or don't want to.

 

WWE were nowhere near bankruptcy in the mid 90's.

 

Downturn in businesses is fictional. It's just WWE's excuse for we have a crappy product. People only stop watching something if its not any good, not for no apparent reason at regular intervals.

 

I never said they were gonna go out of business now, its just they aren't making much money at all. They are losing lots on PPV, ratings are if anything getting worse, no future stars are being made, or properly being given time (I won't count JBL, or Orton because we've seen what an affect they've had), and I can't really see a solution, compared to other bad times like 94 and 96, where they were also losing in a competition, where as now there isn't any.

 

Everyone is just having this "when this happens" attitude. What evidence is there to suggest it will happen? As long as Vince and Triple H are in charge, at what point is HHH ever gonna stop being super pushed, and why are they gonna give storylines back to wrestlers? If you look currently one of the main facts to be a WWE writer, is a history of like soap opera or TV writing.

 

Making 4 million profit is less than what Vince McMahon makes in a year, and for a company of what they generate, that ain't much.

 

And the argument about millions of dollars in cash and assets? So did WCW, and what happenes to them?

 

It doesn't matter how much money you've got, if you've got a bad product, and no foreseeable future, there's only one place you're going....

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WWE were nowhere near bankruptcy in the mid 90's.

 

well that's just blatantly incorrect

 

do a search on google, you can find lots of articles about WWE's near bankruptcy in the mid 90s..."we were down and very nearly out" - vince's own words

 

financially it was much, much worse then, and i would argue it was creatively just as bad or worse then as well

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I agree with Jung, this imaginary cycle that people talk about is rubbish. When the product is crap people switch off, when it's good they turn back on. It is a case of wrestling being cool one minute, and not the next, but that's because of what's on offer not because of some ridiculous cycle.

 

I mean, the only reason people can give that WWE will turn things round and survive is that "they always have in the past, it's just a cycle, the future will always mirror the past". To suggest that something will definitely happen simply because it always has is ludicrous.

 

The business has been damaged hugely, WCW and ECW died, everybody gave the fans too much, the business exposed itself, the business lost all its biggest stars and couldn't create any new ones, and the current product in almost all promotions (and really there's only one that makes any money) stinks.

 

The only thing that will keep WWE in business is the fact that they have stack loads of cash. However, while Vince is always so keen to pump money into other things (what has Vince ever done that wasn't wrestling that wasn't a failure? WBF, XFL etc etc) and continues to flood the market with ridiculous numbers of ppv's, two rosters, too many wrestlers (fired a load, then signs up divas who look hot and offer nothing more), terrible booking, and continues to not be able to create another Hogan, and believe me HHH is not another Hogan at all. If people think that he's getting Hogan's 80's push then while the push may be a modern day equivalent when you consider the way today's industry works, the talent isn't even close nor is the overness nor the drawing power.

 

WWE is in trouble, in 10 years the business will be practically dead as it's already dieing. Who actually makes any real money out there anymore? WWE may still be in businss as they simply have too much money to go out of business overnight but they're on their way out too. What are they going to do this time to get people watching again? What have they got left to show us? Nothing, certainly nothing that their creative team can come up with anyway.

 

Anyone who argues that they will still be in business, do so with an argument that doesn't just state "they always have before so they will again, the cycle, the cycle dammit".

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Jayden says it all here really - the business has damaged itself to such an incredible extent over the last five - ten years or so I think it will be either dead or on its very last legs within ten years. It's over reliance on shock tactics and pushing the envelope and the decline in lasting characters and memorable storytelling is destroying it.
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The whole cycle argument for entertainment is pretty flawed' date=' or atleast I hope it is or the Backstreet Boyz are about to explode back onto the pop scene again.[/quote']

 

Not totally true, look at how many 80s tours are going around nowadays feat Kim Wilde, T'Pau etc. Duran Duran have just released their first album for ages.

 

A load of 80s thrash metal bands have just reformed, as unfortunately have a few 80s hair metal bands.

 

Football has gone up and down in popularity, some clubs were struggling to get 5,000 in the 80s, now they sell out every match (not just to do with the violence in the 80s)

 

Anyway WWE will still be here in 10 years as somebody said because there will still be wrestling fans. How popular will it be? Who knows! A lot depends on the actual wrestlers, if there are no good ones around, or none with any charisma the shows will suffer regardless of the writing and vice versa, succeeding despite the writing.

 

Oh yeah, and if the Backstreet Boys explode back with loads of songs like Backstreet's Back (as opposed to all those rubbish ballads) then I'll be happy :xyx

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Hehe I loved the argument earlier, "they were bankrupt because Vince said so in his own words!!"

 

Hehe yeah like Vince also beat up sailors for fun in his teens, and the same Vince who's company gives every possible excuse for why their company is in the tank, apart from the real reason, of which they've ran out of ideas. The day Vince becomes a fountain of all things truthful, is the day Emile Heskey becomes World Player of the Year.

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If you hang around long enough the clothes you wear go in and out of fashion, thats why if I wore my clothes from the seventies I would look ok in any student union bar today.

 

Cycles of fashion and when you guys are 30 or so the fifteen year old wrestling fans will be watching a product you A) have grown out of or b) grown bored of.

 

There are already 6 billion people on this planet and if we don't blow one another up within the next ten years there will be about 8 billion people. Remember back to what it was that made you switch on to wrestling in the first place and then remember that many more folks than you like that sort of thing, and then remember that many more fifteen year olds are tuning in to see Camilla DeCesare because she was in Playboy than they are tuning in to watch actual wrestling.

 

This is more than a wrestling cycle this is a generational cycle and one you will suddenly find yourself caught in.

 

At one stage there was plenty of fair weather wrestling fans, who have now gone elsewhere for their entertainment, not because wrestling is crap but because they see right through it and it no longer entertains them, but for everyone of them that leaves there is another one to take his place.

 

Statistically, facts and figures as well as attendances to shows go up and down, you can call this whatever you like but to say the product is rubbish is just to rubbish the opinion of those who think it is ok.

 

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Thats absolutely rubbish, and has so many flawes in it. For a cycle to happen, it has to be continuous with the same themes. For that to be possible, it would mean the same amount of fans to disappear and re-appear, and for everyone to do it for the same reason, which isn't the case. People will watch something for a reason, most likely because it entertains them. If it doesn't, you don't watch it.

 

The product is rubbish, because its gradually losing more and more fans, and ratings are getting worse and worse. If the WWE blame it on a cycle, then they will be bankrupt in 10 years time, because they won't do anything about it. They'll have the mentality of its not our fault, so why should we change. A cycle is a continuous motion which occurs for the same reason. That don't happen in wrestling, nor general life.

 

There is nothing saying 15 year old fans will be grow tired or bored. Some will and some won't, you can't generalise and say they all do for the same reason. Everyone has their own lives, and thus their own reasons as to why they don't watch or do watch, and surely that is mostly down to whether they truly enjoy the product. And I highly doubt many 15 year olds are tuning into watch DeCesare. I mean they've got porno, magazines, calendars whatever. If you tune in to watch wrestling, 99% of people who do, will want a wrestling show. Whether it be wrestling characters, matches, promos, etc whatever doesn't matter. It's to do with wrestling. You don't watch MOTD to see Alan Hansen's suits do you?

 

I wanted to watch wrestling, because it interested me and the idea of it entertained me. We all have different reasons why, yet if so many are flooding away from the product, what does that say? We don't find it interesting or entertaining anymore.

 

If for everyone that leaves there is one to replace, ratings would never change. Sure facts and figures moderate, but not on a stage of losing millions and thousands pre attendance. I'm still yet to find a decent explanation as to how a cycle is possible

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Jung step outside yourself for one minute.

Some people don't watch MOTD to see Alan Hansen's suits but some people do.

I'm also not saying that ratings don't change I am saying that for everyone who gets bored of what they no longer deem entertainment someone else who does find it entertaining eventually replaces there butt in the seat, if it were not the case then wrestling would have died out about 60 years ago when Ed "Strangler "Lewis and his contemporaries and those who watched them died themselves.

 

As I have said before opinions vary and because some get bored of it does not mean it is dead. Your opinion is clouding your view and yes there are many like you flooding away from the product but within ten years you will have been replaced by others who find the product entertaining whether that is entertaining or not in your view is a different matter.

 

I said you can call it whatever you like I chose "cycle" because it seems most apt to me, to me when Hogan was King the only reason I watched was to see the story of Undertaker evolve, when he evolved I continued to watch because other (Mankind and Kane) became part of his story, other however then watched to see Taker get beat by Austin etc.... These are cycles and I know what I mean when I say it, so if you still think it is rubbish so be it.

 

I am wasting my time.

 

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any cycle debate though simply suggests that something wlil happen purely because it has before. that's naieve and ridiculous.

 

you can never predict the future like that. the business has slumped, or boomed depending on the quality of what has been produced, not because of any pre determined cycle.

 

you can't just say that the business will pick up because it always has in the past.

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You don't understand the concept of a cycle though. A cycle is something which happens for a specific reason then keeps on going. There are no specific reasons or time plans for things happening.

 

All you are doing is guessing. Never in a million years is there as many people who want to watch football as there are who want to watch Alan Hansen's suit.

 

For everyone who gets bored of something, there isn't always someone to replace them. Look at WCW, ECW, AWA. If there was always someone to replace a fan that leaves, every promotion ever formed, would still be running now. I'm sorry but it's never that black and white. As I said, people will watch if they find it entertaining. If more and more people don't find it entertaining, it will die. If that wasn't true, then why have so many promotions, TV shows, businesses, all died a long and painful death?

 

I never said something was dead now. But anyone knows, if you keep on losing fans, and not replacing them, they will die. Its fine and all saying all this philisophical, theoretical stuff, but you forget the what if's? If by your principal, then WCW and ECW should both be doing fine right now, but we know they aren't, cause the fans they lost didn't get replaced.

 

There is no evidence to suggest in 10 years they will be replaced. All I'm saying is at the rate they are going at losing fans, with no seemingly possible future ideas, then they very well could be gone. That's not opinion, that's fact. Just look at WCW, AWA, ECW, etc etc for proof.

 

And what you state at the end isn't a cycle, it's just reasons people watch, because you were entertained by what you were seeing. No cycle whatsoever.

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Lets get away from the word cycle for a moment and stop the semantics, there will always be wrestling because there will always be wrestling fans, there was a long time before we were born and there will be a long time after we are dead.

 

Whether or not the McMahons will be in charge is another question, but the WWE is in a far stronger position, than any others at present.

 

It is all about probability and any good Bookmaker would tell you all about probability.

No one can tell the future but it can be looked at using probability, that is why there is gambling, and big business is all gambling and risk.

 

I was asked if I beleived the WWE would be in business in the next ten years and using probability I said yes, because it has before many times.

 

I think also you are missing something Jung when you mention ECW or WCW they did not stop being wrestling fans they now go to see Vince's product until they themselves get bored.

 

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Lets get away from the word cycle for a moment and stop the semantics, there will always be wrestling because there will always be wrestling fans, there was a long time before we were born and there will be a long time after we are dead.
will there be though?

 

there were fans of many medieval past times for huge periods of time. as long, if not longer than wrestling has been around in its current form. People are generally not still fans of such things.

 

Is it so hard to imagine that, for instance, fans gradualyl grow tired of the business and professional wrestling and slowly turn over to real fighting. something more UFC based and in 10 years time shot fighting has grown to be much ibgger while professional wrestling as we know it has disappeared because it's just not marketable anymore?

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It is possible but the again everything is impossible until it isn't.

 

But just using simple probability and the number of people on Earth there seems to be little probability of wrestling disappearing since it has been around since Egyptian times and is still going now.

 

If UFC replaces it then that is the evolution of wrestling backwards to again become the real sport it once was.

 

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