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Well, it's been a fair while now since Chris Benoit won his first World Heavyweight Championship in the WWE.

 

The reason I created this thread is because I was just looking over the hall of fame wrestling threads and came over one which was called "Chris Benoit: Push or No Push." It was brought up because of the rumours of what did actually happen!

 

Well, this thread obviously explains itself, it was a debate over whether Benoit should get a push or not. 30 voted yes with 9 voting no, well, even I voted yes because of the totally unbiased polling :P (sorry, can't stand Jeff Hardy Chris, and yes, I know it was a joke :P)

 

Anyhow, I was wondering if there was anyone out there like me, who didn't believe Benoit could be a credible champion and suit his role? I for one, didn't, and I quote myself from that particular thread:

 

Come to think of it, Benoit with the title on the Smackdown side as it is now would be ok, but then if you put him in the mix with guys like Triple H and Goldberg from RAW then I would say no way jose

 

I voted yes to push him, but wouldn't have him hold the World Heaveyweight Championship.

 

Well, how wrong I was and i'm glad that the WWE pushed Benoit to the moon. Obviosuly Benoit touched up nicely on his mic skills but it just needed to happen and it seems to be where Benoit belongs. The guy did what he says he does, he proved me wrong

 

All I want to know is...

HOW MANY OF YOU DID CHRIS BENOIT PROVE WRONG? and do you feel he's fitted into his role nicley?

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Benoit did prove me wrong, all along I thought despite his limitations he could still carry Raw. It is now obvious though that Benoit is just not capable of carrying a show & he should never be giving the world title again. Benoit should be doing what he does best making other opponents look good while putting them over, this way Benoit can stay where he deserves to be main eventing but won't have to carry the show / title which he is not capable of doing.
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Yeah Benoit proved me about right I reckon. He's a great guy to have in the upper midcard putting guys over, or in the main event putting on great matches and losing. What he's not is the guy who should be pushed as the brand's biggest star. He is not the guy to carry the brand.
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I always knew he was World Champion material, and he proved he was

care to explain exactly how he proved it? I'm not dismissing your opinion but I'd like to know what he did in your eyes that proved he was world champion material?

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Benoit was as credible a champion as Triple H has been and his title reign was at least as good as anything Hunter has done with that particular belt, I thought.

 

I don't see him as a guy who should get the belt a lot in the future but he was certainly good enough to get it at least once and the ratings didn't bomb like many predicted when he got the belt. A lot of the credit has to go to not only Chris but to the WWE who really played to his strengths.

 

Jayden makes a good point about the position Chris should have within the company. I'd like to see him as a heel as that way I think you could get even more out of him in terms of putting people over and it wouldn't affect Chris' character as much (as top heels can afford to lose much more readily than a top face can). From now on WWE will probably just wheel him out when they need a top match or him to carry someone to a good match and then put them over which doesn't particularly bother me. He got his moment he deserved and I'd not mind him in that role as long as good matches are being produced.

 

I do think he should be playing a bigger role in the shows at the minute though. He is still one of the more over guys on the Raw roster and using him in matches on Heat against Rodney Mack isn't really a great idea.

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Benoit wasn't a failure as the world champ for several reasons...

 

1) The buyrate didn't drop nor the ratings, they have been like this for a while due to the slump in business caused by crap booking...

2) He did in a sense carry the show. He re-introduced Edge and gave him a purpose, he helped bring in Eugene and establish him, he gave Kane something to do and made him look threatening again, he gave HHH his several good quality matches against someone not called HBK... Thats carrying a show...

3) He gave the belt crediblilty after it been held by clique members for the past two years and a bald guy with diminished heat.

4) He then did the right thing and stepped aside and dropped the belt clean to the next chosen one and in doing so helped set up the next big storyline on Raw.

 

Thats a great title reign. Now yeah I agree he shouldn't hold titles left right and centre but I feel the booking to put the belt on Benoit was completely justified by all of that. And notice that even supposed 'top draw' HHH and 'Next Big Superstar' Orton aren't making the ratings shoot through the ceiling?

 

Thats not because it sucks nor that they are bad wrestlers, its just cos even if Rock came back and held the title for 5 months and had great matches aganist HBK, HHH, Kane and Orton then the ratings wouldn't climb. Its a slump ya hear!

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Sorry Chris but on this we must disagree Benoit was a failure as World Champ.

 

Benoit was indeed World Champion material. I don't know why some people don't like him now, since he lost his title at SummerSlam. What's the big deal? Benoit is one of the greatest wrestlers EVER. So he didn't prove me wrong.

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It's not that people who did like him suddenly don't now, at least I don't think it is. It's just that some of us thought before he won the world title that while he is undoubtedly superb in the ring he wasn't the whole package in terms of being World Champion and carrying the company. Something which I for one still stand by even after his title run.
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It's not that people who did like him suddenly don't now' date=' at least I don't think it is. It's just that some of us thought before he won the world title that while he is undoubtedly superb in the ring he wasn't the whole package in terms of being World Champion and carrying the company. Something which I for one still stand by even after his title run.[/quote']

 

Yes, now that's class. I'll also do the same because Benoit was destined to be a great wrestler, which he is.

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Well let's face it, not every wrestler can carry the company, but when there's someone who can, Benoit is right there with them. IMO, Benoit is in his rightful place, and that's as a WWE main-eventer. His wrestling skills are flawless. Yes, his mic skills aren't great, but they've certainly improved a lot, and he is over with the fans.

 

I think we will be seeing Chris Benoit with the title a few more times yet. Perhaps a trip to Smackdown! would do him good? Wrestling the likes of Kurt Angle?

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Chris Benoit didnt prove me wrong, he was about as entertaining as world champion as he ever has been, not very, less even. He has the mic skills of a strangled weasel in the way that theyre complete rubbish.

 

His in ring wrestling sure has been fantastic but lets face it, he's still as boring as hell because hes just a plain out great wrestler, theres no charisma to the guy. in that sense hes very bland and boring just like Ive always seen benoit as. So no Benoit proved nothing to me.

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Benoit's great wrestling ability enables his charisma. He's shined a lot from what he was, he's always been the no nonsense competitor who steps in the ring and does what he does with a heart of gold. And as of right now, he's very over with the fans, and I don't see that changing to be honest... Edited by Dickie Hyde
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Well, it's been a fair while now since Chris Benoit won his first World Heavyweight Championship in the WWE.

 

Anyhow, I was wondering if there was anyone out there like me, who didn't believe Benoit could be a credible champion and suit his role? I for one, didn't, and I quote myself from that particular thread:

 

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Come to think of it, Benoit with the title on the Smackdown side as it is now would be ok, but then if you put him in the mix with guys like Triple H and Goldberg from RAW then I would say no way jose

 

I voted yes to push him, but wouldn't have him hold the World Heaveyweight Championship.

 

Not only did your opinion of Beniot change as champion during that time, but you also learned how to spell "Heavyweight" correctly.

 

Beniot didnt prove me wrong.

In fact, one of my first posts on TWO was when I started a thread titled "Beniot For Champ".

I was please to see Chris win the title at the biggest stage of them all, and was just as pleased seeing Orton win the title at SummerSlam. I enjoyed his reign as champ and would like to see it happen again some time

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Yeah Benoit proved me about right I reckon. He's a great guy to have in the upper midcard putting guys over' date=' or in the main event putting on great matches and losing. What he's not is the guy who should be pushed as the brand's biggest star. He is not the guy to carry the brand.[/quote']

 

I agree with pretty much all of that.

 

Benoit should never have been the WWE Champion, he shouldnt have won the Rumble, he shouldnt have main evented WrestleMania. Benoit is better in the IC/Upper Midcard level facing guys like Jericho, Cena, Edge etc and putting them over. And as said its ok to give a main event here and there and lose it like which was the case in 2000. But Benoit should NOT be the Main Star.

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Not only did your opinion of Beniot change as champion during that time, but you also learned how to spell "Heavyweight" correctly.

 

Beniot didnt prove me wrong.

In fact, one of my first posts on TWO was when I started a thread titled "Beniot For Champ".

I was please to see Chris win the title at the biggest stage of them all, and was just as pleased seeing Orton win the title at SummerSlam. I enjoyed his reign as champ and would like to see it happen again some time

 

Yes, actually you are right, I only learnt that I was spelling it wrong all of this time the other week. Anyhow, was there any need to be picky? Nope. I didn't ask for your opinion on my spelling, but on your opinion of Benoit which you gladly gave afterwards.

 

That's good that you thought that way, and I'm wondering, do I respect the man so much now because I just couldn't see him getting where he is today? If that is the case, then maybe it is the case with other fans? Which is why he is so over with them. Either that or they have TM's opinion and supported Benoit all of the way... :?

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Benoit is a spot on in ring competitor, and thats what is needed from time to time! OK, so everyone likes a good talker, but if the belt was just given to talkers then why call it wrestling?

 

Benoooit should be a constant and beliveable THREAT and OCCASIONAL winner, so the title means in ring as well as out of ring.........

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I say it time and time again... Benoit proved me wrong as well. I honestly didn't think he could pull off being champion.

 

I think he really did silence any of his critics out there with his title run, and anyone who still criticises him now must really have something against him.

 

He may not have great mic skills but he was so over as champion it was unbelievable... which nobody believed would happen. I didn't think they could market Benoit as champion or make the fans react so well to him but his title run was booked to perfection almost with excellant matches to top it off.

 

Sorry but I think Benoit's title reign was one of the best in recent years.

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I think he really did silence any of his critics out there with his title run, and anyone who still criticises him now must really have something against him.

I have nothing against him, he's one of my favourite wrestlers, doesn't mean I think he's the guy that should be carrying Raw though.

 

Surely the fact that we're still having the same debate after he was champion that we were before he was proves that he hasn't silenced all his critics and that nothnig's really changed. the Benoit fans that thought he was Championship material still have that view, and those who didn't think he was still have that view too.

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I'm honestly confused as to why that is though.. I really don't see how much better his title run could have been?

 

The majority of fans clearly thought Benoit was a good champion and most of the internet fans (if you want to distinguish them anyway) were behind him and you're never going to get rid of the minority of fans that don't... so I'd say yes, he has in general proved his critics wrong. And I was one of them. For me... I used to find Jericho v Benoit midcard matches boring, but when Benoit had the title, even his matches with HHH who I also generally find boring, were great.

 

There's obviously never going to be a situation where everybody is happy, but so many Benoit critics out there have now become members of the Benoit appreciation society, or at least acknowledge that it was a good title run.

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I think you miss the point though. I don't think there are many Benoit critics at all. Most of the people who don't think he can carry Raw aren't his critics. For the most part they think he's great but that doesn't mean they think he can top the company. That isn't being a critic, that's being realistic. As I've said, I love the guy, one of my personal favourites, always in great matches. Just rarely in great storylines because nobody, and rightly so, wants to give him too much mic time. With benoit you usually only start caring once the match has begun. He sucks you in once it's underway. That's not enough for a main eventer for me. Personal opinion, and I understand you disagree with it but I rarely care abotu a Benoit match before the event. I love it while it's in progress, but for main events I want to care about them before they kick off.

 

You're right, I don't think his title run could have been any better, because he doesn't have all the tools that main eventers should have. That said, very few guys in or around the main event in WWE do either. He's no worse than the rest but I just feel, and have felt for a long time that WWE needs one big superstar to carry them back to greatness and they don't have one.

 

The sooner they go and sign Bob Sapp and have him takeover the WWE the better. Make him the Hogan of the 2000's ;-)

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Of course... for I am too a Bob Sapp mark. :D

 

But I still think you can't really distinguish yourself from Benoit critics if you don't think he's world champion material... I'm not meaning you're a Benoit hater but by Benoit critics I do mean people who didn't/don't think he can/should carry the world title and be a success whilst doing it.

 

My point is really that most people who felt the same as yourself perhaps now feel differently... at least thats the way I see it.

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