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The Daily Record newspaper in Scotland conducted a survey on who will be supporting England during Euro 2004. The majority, which surprised me, said they would support England during Euro 2004. To all people who are not English, will you be supporting England or another nationality in the forthcoming Euro 2004?

 

Personally, I'll be supporting France. Not because they are going against England, but because Ireland aint in it and Senegal aren't from Europe :P

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Even though I'm a Welshman I'll be rooting for England in Euro 2004. Just like I would root for Scotland or ROI in previous World Cups.

 

Come WC 2006 Quals however, it's a different story!

 

Cheers!

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'Mon the Daily Record! A quality publication that generations of Russes have been buying for many a year.

 

Anyway, I'll be suporting every team except England. Today, France. Then Switzerland. Then Croatia. Then if need be, any other team that faces England.

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Why is that then?

 

i was in Glasgow the other week i got off at central station and i wouls say there were loads of England tops about. You go to ibrox and there are plenty of England tops in the crowd. It's not as if England actully hate the Scots i would say that 9 out of 10 would say they 9 out of 10 England fans dislike the argies and germans more than the scots. Maybe it's the fact that the scots are feeling left out by England.

 

The day that England got there draw in istanbul last year i went to a bar to watch scotland v lituhania, when fletcher got the winner a huge cheer went up maybe thats because the english look on the scots fondly.

 

I don' know why some scots hate the english for some i can think of good reasons, but knowing that russ is a rangers fan i am fairly surprised and tro say you will be surrporting every team that plays against England i find quite bitter and i would'nt put you down as that type of person.

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Well its everybodies own desicion... but I bet Russ you'd rather someone give Holland a stuffing more then England...

 

The fact is the Scot's want the English to lose simply because however fondly some English people feel for the Scot's if England beat Scotland at any sport or if they win a tournement then they rub it the Scot's and Welsh and Irish faces...

 

But then again so do they, welcome to the world of Football supporters.

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1. I'm not a Rangers fan, I'm a Hamilton Accies fan.

 

2. Rangers fans wear English tops to get under the Celtic fans' noses. Celtic have strong Irish roots, and some of their fans like to wear Ireland tops, wave Ireland flags and make claims about supporting the IRA. Rangers fans wear England tops to back up their "Rule Britainia" and "God Save The Queen" image.

 

3. Scotland don't feel "left out". If you want to hate Argentina and Germany, go nuts. I can't speak for five million people, but I personally wish England the worst of luck due to the fact that when they do well, I'm subjected to nothing but praise and celebration for England. If you want to celebrate, I'm not stopping you. But just remember that celebrating in media outlets that ALL of Britain are subjected to just isn't going to win you lots of praise. I feel sorry for people who understand how I feel, because I have to keep using the same examples over and over. Anyway, let's take an example. England Vs Austrailia at Rugby. England win, all the TV schedules in Britain (England, Scotland, Wales and probably Ireland) are disrupted for 6 hours of England's team riding in a bus, while the commentators make jokes about the Aussies and talk about how great they are. How can you possibly show that to the whole of Scotland and expect them to cheer you on?

 

If it was the other way around (Australia won, they show their celebrations in the UK with "Limey" and "Pommie" jokes) there would be riots. But it's the arrogance and ignorance of the BBC, ITV, The Sun and all these other media outlets that really gets my goat.

 

I think the biggest reason though why many Scots hate the English is due to the big differences in their fans. This may seem like an alien concept to some people, but many Scotland fans don't care about the action on the pitch. The Tartan Army follows Scotland, has a laugh, gets totally pissed and sings songs about how crap we are. England are totally different. They build up every match as life or death, their fans will occassionally cause trouble on a large scale and everything is a whole lot less relaxed. I mean, can you imagine England singing "We're sh**e, and we know we are!" when drawing with the Faroes, or singing "Too F'n Easy!" when 6-0 down? No, because everything's all about the match and the hatred of the opposite fans.

 

The Scotland fans like to have a laugh and a song with their opponents fans, as you can see with 78000 Celtic fans in Seville and not bit of bother. Just drinking, laughing and mingling with the Porto fans. When Scotland were in the World Cup in 1998, the Bordeaux residents loved the atmousphere that the fans brought, and the mayor of the city took out a full page advertisement in every Scottish newspaper after the tournament thanking the Scottish fans. What were the English fans doing at the same time? Fighting on the streets.

 

Unless you've lived with having every single thing you listen to or see on TV, on the radio or in a newspaper being devoted to how great another country is, you just can't see what it's like to be subjected to that. When England win, it's Motson crying about 1966 and the TV schedules moved, the radio stations saying "And well done to our English boys" every few minutes and many newspapers celebrating their triumph. When England lose, Scotland's easy going supporters get to have a laugh at their serious neighbours who built themselves up to be the greatest team on Earth, only to lose to Romania after Kevin Keegan said "There's only going to be one winner now, and it's the team we're all supporting!" just seconds before Phil Nevile gives away a penalty.

 

I've talked too long. Time to go down to the student union, order a few Kronenburgs for my mates (and a Lé Irn Bru for me) and watch Zidane and Henry play the beautiful game the way it was mean to be played. Vive La France!

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You see told you he had a reason and a point....

 

But you still haven't answered my question Russ... would you like to see the Dutch given a good stuffing? I know the Scot's enjoy laughing at there misfortune at sports but surely you would feel that the Dutch could do with being knocked down a peg?

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Explain this, an Everton, Man City, Rangers, Spurs or Birmingham suporter would never be expected to support Liverpool, Man Utd, Celtic, Arsenal, or Aston Villa when they play, if they support the other side or take piss at a loss its nothing more than a footballing rivalry and 90% of the time light hearted (see any club thread at TWO).

 

But when England play their supporters have this attitude that they should be supported by everyone and if not then they'll bitch non-stop about bitterness or other crap.

 

Look at the English attitude towards other teams, whats different about a Scot taking the piss out of England losing to France to an England supporter chanting "the argies are going home" at World Cup 2002 or booing just about everyone elses national anthem?

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I'll be supporting England of course . . . . . . . . . . . :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

Seriously, I won't really be rooting for anyone. I'm not sure if Hanrik Larsson is back with Sweden, but if he is, I might adopt them as my team cos I love the guy to bits. Its tough this time, cos usually even if Ireland dont make it the Scots do, but not on this occasion.

 

By the way, a radio show in Ireland recently had a poll to find out who Irish people will be supporting in euro 2004. England topped it apparently.

 

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Can someone explain to me how the Irish etc really love to see England lose and yet so many of them support our English club teams??

 

Ok, thats a good question. Really for me, the English media make it impossible to support England in any sport, simply because they're arrogant and jingoistic. As somebody said already on this thread, you really have to live in Scotland, Wales or Ireland to understand this. I've no problem at all with the vast majority of English supporters (the ones who support the team and don't start aggro), and if England do well, I'll be genuinely happy for you guys (I'll still be sick of hearing about it though).

 

As for the clubsides, most of us over here start supporting the teams we see on telly, which is invariably English clubsides. Its tough for the league of ireland clubs who miss out on grassroots support, and its far from ideal, but thats the way it is. From my point of view, there was no league of ireland club to support anywhere near me when I was growing up, and the first time I saw Liverpool on the telly, I was hooked. Its easier to stay supporting an english club too, cos that media stigma that I mentioned earlier isn't as attached to them.

 

Am I making sense?

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Yeah I do understand that, although I think it's a shame for teams like Shellbourne (sp?) etc.

 

Another thing (although this is irrelevant these days with so many foreign premiership players in our teams) if you support Liverpool, then we have Gerard and Owen etc playing for England, surely you'd want him to do well?

 

I realise the media seem to upset you all but you gotta remember it's not the English fans at all. We ourselves roll our eyes at our media, but we're an optimistic country what can I say?, no need to be hated purely for that reason.

 

Now onto my own thoughts, I really do think it's down to plain old fashioned rivarly.

 

The same as Utd/City etc, as someone else already said. The same reason I never support Utd in Europe and the same reason I myself would never support the Irish/Welsh or Scotts in any tournament I guess. :)

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I'm not English and won't be supporting England. I like a lot of the England players but unfortunately like many other people I get irked when the BBC and the like just keep banging on about England. I was watching one of the matches on the first day(either Portugal/Greece or Spain/Russia) and they were talking about England in the commentary when it had absolutely nothing to do with them. Stuff like that gets very annoying.

 

As for the Rangers fans who wear England tops, I agree with Russ. 99% of the guys who wear England tops at Ibrox are bigoted idiots. That isn't England's fault of course, but I just don't think that it's a good thing to use to gauge opinion in Scotland towards the English football team.

 

Personally with Euro 2004, I hope to see countries who have Rangers players or Rangers links playing well. So teams like Holland, France, Croatia and Denmark I'll be looking out for.

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Here's the problem with the English media in a nutshell; Eamon Dunphy hit the nail on the head on Irish television last night, and its something that I like about him that he's not afraid to say things like this. He basically said just before the match, as the chat turned to David Beckham, that the worse-case scenario would be an English win, with Beckham having played a blinder and scored the winner with a forty-yard screamer. Why? Because every English newspaper and news/sports programme for the next few weeks will be replaying the goal, talking about the goal, reliving the goal and, most of all, using it as proof that David Beckham is the greatest footballer in the world, and everyone should acknowledge that fact.

 

And had England won last night, and had Beckham scored that penalty, the vision of what would've happened (as outlined above) wouldn't be too far from the reality.

 

Here IS the reality; England are lucky to have Beckham, in that he's a great crosser of a ball and a very good free-kick specialist. Last night he crossed brilliantly for the first goal, put himself about, got in a few tackles, and was unlucky to a certain extent with the penalty (in that Barthez just happened to guess the right way). But Beckham is not - repeat NOT - anywhere NEAR being the best footballer in the world. And if he scores a couple against Switzerland, and the English media again build him up to be something he's not, you should reject what they say as the fabrication it is.

 

Beckham is nowhere near the league of Zidane, who was simply untouchable last night. I think Rooney won the ball off him once, and aside from that, not one misplaced pass came off his boot, not once did he lose poesession (and considering the amount of poesession he had, thats incredible).

 

But the whole Beckham thing is just an example of how over-bearing (and plain wrong) the English media can be, and its this that makes most fans in Ireland, Scotland and Wales not only not support them, but be happy when they lose. I remeber the game between England and Greece, when England qualified for the World Cup after Beckham's (admittedly superb) last minute free-kick. The media went apeshit, saying how great England were, how wonderful Beckham was, etc. Forgetting, of course, that Beckham spent most of that match running around like a headless chicken, and that England had come within a whisker of being beaten at home by Greece.

 

But hey, like I said, you can't really expect to understand where we're coming from unless you live in Ireland, Scotland or Wales. I understand that, but try to see where we're coming from as well.

 

Oh, and:

 

I realise the media seem to upset you all but you gotta remember it's not the English fans at all. We ourselves roll our eyes at our media' date=' but we're an optimistic country what can I say?, no need to be hated purely for that reason[/quote']

 

If England do well, I'll be genuinely happy for you Goldy, cos I know what its like to be a fan, and I empathise with you on that level. However, on every other level, I won't be so happy. But thats not the fault of the English fans, and I realise this :xyx

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Explain this' date=' an Everton, Man City, Rangers, Spurs or Birmingham suporter would never be expected to support Liverpool, Man Utd, Celtic, Arsenal, or Aston Villa when they play, if they support the other side or take piss at a loss its nothing more than a footballing rivalry and 90% of the time light hearted (see any club thread at TWO).[/quote']

 

Not in the league, but in Europe possible.

 

But when England play their supporters have this attitude that they should be supported by everyone and if not then they'll bitch non-stop about bitterness or other crap.

 

I personally aren't complaining that people don;t support us, I just find it funny that the only way Scottish fans can feel part of international football is to get behind any team that we play :lol

 

Look at the English attitude towards other teams, whats different about a Scot taking the piss out of England losing to France to an England supporter chanting "the argies are going home" at World Cup 2002 or booing just about everyone elses national anthem?

 

That fact that the Argies actually made it to the World Cup.

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I just find it funny that the only way Scottish fans can feel part of international football is to get behind any team that we play :lol

 

See that’s the sort of typical arrogant bullshit that makes people dislike the English, taking the piss at Scotland not quallifying is one thing but saying that makes you sound like some glory hunting supporter of a Premiership clubs who likes to pretend their far supperior to a supporter of Nationwide or SPL club.

 

Football fans from Scotland and Wales or Northern Ireland for that matter enjoy international football and feel part of it in differenet way to the English, because were smaller nations, like Russ said we want to enjoy football and watch are teams play against the top sides in world football. We don't have this attitude where were the best and we have never claimed we were.

 

Scotland held Germany and beat the Dutch, Wales beat Italy and I was there when Northern Ireland held Spain and Ukraine, they might not seem like great results for Eng-ger-land but for us they were enjoyable afternoons and evenings of football with no crowd trouble, no over the top build up, no un-realistic expectations, we played some of the best teams in the world and in some cases held are own, were we didn't (pretty much 90% of the time) we could laugth at ourselves, take ribs and not bitch and sulk.

 

It will probably shock you to learn that there’s more to International football than England playing in a major tournament, maybe if so many England supporters weren’t so far up their own arses they might realize that.

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