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Guest iccle_k_2000

???

 

First off Aaron, how many F.W.A shows have you seen??

 

And second Alex Shane IMO is a good worker, not the best but solid and i think the reason he is classed as one of the top british wrestlers is easy, its because he is!!!!!

 

And before you jump on your high horse, I am a wrestling fan, mainly a british wrestling fan and I have seen Hammerlock, TWA, Premier Promotions and the likes but I must say the FWA are by far the best british promotion I have ever seen!!!

I sat through the entire Hammerlock TWC tappings! And that IMO was nasty, but since then i havent missed a Premier show (and if you have never heard of them they are an old school promotion in the south of England!) And I try to get to as many FWA shows as is humanly possible!

 

Hey thats the end of my rant!!!

 

But one last point Alex may not be the GREATEST worker in the country but he is one of the best SHOWMEN!!!!! Long live the Showstealer!!!!

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Guest aaron_spencer

Hi

 

For your information i have watched FWA many times on tape, although i haven't been to one of their live shows.

 

Alex Shane doesn't come close to being a good star, infact imagine The Rock, now imagine The Rock dressed down wearing clothes from Oxfam. I think you know where i am going with this, but Alex Shane is a poor man's Rock.

 

The FWA aren't fantastic, they are passable, but they are not something out of this world. And yes i know of Premier Promotions, TWA, Hammerlock.

 

Just in case you think i just write a column and thats all i do then you'll be wrong. I have promoted a show, and i am promoting another show on March 23rd in Nottingham. I also go to alot of shows and was at a CSF show Saturday night, and actually spoke to Adam South and Tom Lancaster who are present at FWA shows. I also sat with Deacon Despair, Kev O'Neil, GBH and Keith Massy.

 

But the Fwa are not the greatest, if you like them, then thats up to you. But i gave out a vaild point and if anyone thinks Alex Shane is better than Test, Shjnya Hasimoto, Kendo Ka Shin, Lance Storm, Sabu, Shane Douglaus and many more names in the biz, if you really think he is that good then your brain washed and dont get to see all the other great promotions not just in this country, but worldwide.

 

Alex Shane was ranked 43 in PowerSlam Magazine, and if you read my column you will learn its about politics, well politics dont work for me, and it sure dont brain wash me.

 

There is alot better than the FWA, they are good, but not as good as is made out. i have been going to British wrestling matches for 20 yrs, i am now 27, so a fan since i was 5 years old, i was 5 when i saw my first live match, and i was fortuanate enough to go to matches once every 2 weeks. I have seen hundreds of promotions and sadly FWA are average.

 

They want to be like the WWF, but anyone that remembers British wrestling will know that it used to have its own style and its own style of wrestling and gimmicks. Sadly Alex Shane wanting to be The Rock, and going on Talk Sport Radio isn't going to change my views on him, and it sure isnt going to change my views on the FWA.

 

Subject over!!!!!!

 

You can be the FWA's biggest fan, you can think that Alex Shane is the best in the world, sadly your wrong, sadly your blind to your own eyes.!!!!!!!!

 

GO AND SEE ALL THE OTHER PROMOTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, I GAURANTEE YOU WILL FIND A BETTER SHOW THAN THE FWA.

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whoa whoa, i never said for a second he was "that damn good", but you can see why he's supposed to be the biggest star in the UK. No in my opinion he's not as good as any of the guys you mentioned, but by the same token in my opinion the Rock isn't as good as Lance Storm and we all know which one's the biggest star.

 

British feds like the FWA need to be taken at face value. No they aren't going to be as well produced and glitzy as the WWF, no their promos aren't going to be as funny. But I have got FWA tapes and they keep me entertained, and Alex Shane is one of the guys that does it. He's not the best guy in the FWA, let alone the UK in my opinion, but I can see why he's becoming the biggest star here.

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Aaron, I've seen FWA and NWA-UK Hammerlock. My mate has seen those two plus TWA, K-star and some tribute show. We both agreed entirely that FWA produced the better shows. You may start yapping on about how I'm "blind" or something, but I couldn't care less what you think, mate. It's down to opinion. I think if any UK-promotion becomes national (i.e. national TV deal, more media exposure etc) then it will be FWA. Its not WWF but UK needs an alternative. FWA has great talent in Doug Williams, Jodie Fleisch and a few more. They have some great matches and although some of the product can be dire, I honestly think that FWA will make it big, and I think Tommy Boyd will help out because he may know nothing about wrestling, but he has many connections and is one of the reasons why Revival happened. I think FWA is extremely entertaining at a time where I really need an alternative to McMahon-TV. And if Aaron, you have a problem, spit it out, cause I'd love to hear it, just don't think it will make a difference.
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Guest iccle_k_2000

Aaron, Im blind???

 

And I take it your an accountant? (27, watching for 20 years and your first show is when you were 5)

 

I know the FWA arent the WWF and to me thats good because the WWF have gone down alot in my estimations!

And I have heard rumors (true or not) that Alex was asked to send a tape to Paul Heyman, ECf'nW, which was once if im not mistaken the 3rd biggest fed in america?

 

The FWA havent been established as long as some of these feds that you are mentioning but they are the most entertaining!!!

Why do people watch the WWF? To be entertained! Because they like the sports entertainment side of wrestling!!!

 

People have to remember the FWA are not a multi-million doller organisation, but a fed that has only been running since the late 90s and it was started by one man!

 

Oh and dropping names are we! Dean Ayass is a close friend (FWA manager ex-NWA ring announcer), as to is Mark Priest (FWA commentator ex-BRAWL wrestler), and before you start comenting on them being with the FWA i have Known them both since before they got envolved with the FWA!!!!!!!

 

And that is IMO so shoot me down if you want, but all I can say is I HAVENT BEEN BRAIN WASHED!!! (unless it was at that first time at training LOL)

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Guest iccle_k_2000
GO AND SEE ALL THE OTHER PROMOTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, I GAURANTEE YOU WILL FIND A BETTER SHOW THAN THE FWA.

How about you actually come to an FWA show rather than just slagging them of from what you have seen on video!!!!!!!

And you know what they say "seeing is beliving"

Tell me why people like me have to agree with what you say? because you do a column on the internet? That makes you better than me does it? that makes you better than other wrestling fans?

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Aaron, you are entitled to your own opinion, but if we want to like FWA, or happen to think that FWA is a very good promotion, then you have got to learn to live with it. I know that not everyone is going to like FWA, but I respect that. I don't say that they have been brainwashed because they don't see things my way. Just because you write for TWO, you want people to see things your way and put down people who don't, but you only make yourself look bad. You have no right to put people down because of their opinions.
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Guest aaron_spencer

First off i said i habe been watching wrestling for over 20 years.

I didn't realise anyone was counting the exact years.

 

Its an oppinion, and yes i do have plans to visit an FWA show before May.

 

But this is my oppinion, obviously someone put this column on the FWA site, and i stand by my words, and thats that Alex Shane sucks more than any mans wife.

 

Second, i don't think the FWA are that good, and they use alot of politics to get word around, and promote themselves. I know that Mark Sloan doesn't like criticism, well Mark stick this in your pipe and smoke it, "I THINK THE FWA SUCK"

 

Saying that its my oppinion, i am not going to beat around the bush, we all have views, so for one second don't sit there and yell at me and call me every name under the sun, because its a OPPINION.

 

We all have oppinions, and i shared mine with you, just i think my oppinion is too close to home for the FWA. British wrestling once was in a class of its own, it wasn't a copy cat profession, but if you look at the FWA, and you will see that they want to be so much like the WWF. Marl sloan wake up. FWA fans wake up, Alex Shane sucks, and the FWA isn't as good as they would like us to believe.

 

After all these are my oppinions, you might not like them, you might like them, but at the end of the day i do say what i want, and you say what you want, so lets be friendly and enjoy British wrestling. :)

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Guest aaron_spencer

I will appologise if i have insulted any FWA fan, i will also appologise if i have caused and stress to Alex Shane or Mark Sloan.

 

I tell things as i see them, and the way i see them is very true. But for no reason, i wouldnt want anyone turning away from the FWA, or from being a fan of Alex Shane.

 

That i must stress.

 

So lets all continue to enjoy the great wrestling this country offers, and lets all argue in debates on who is the best promotion, and who is the worse. We can also debate who is the best wrestler, and who is the worst, but at the end of the day we are fans of British wrestling, and we must unite to bring success to the wrestling buisiness in this country. :)

 

Aaron Spencer

 

http://www.bxw.2ya.com

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I cant comment on any UK fed (as I havent seen any), but I cant wait to see Revival on March 3rd.

 

I just wanted to say Aaron adds FWA news on the newsboard, and upcoming FWA events on the TWO calendar.

 

I dont want people thinking TWO is only covering feds that I want, or those working for TWO want. Any fed that sends in info/news - it will be on TWO.

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let me get this straight aaron is working with a UK promotion and he's putting down the FWA?...WHAT A F'N SUPRISE. Am i the only one who sees that he's putting down the FWA to make people wanna see his promotion.

 

As for fwa using politics, who cares? wrestling is a cut throat business, survival of the fittest. I'd rather see fwa succeed than some tribute show promotion. I've seen all but one of the Fwa shows since September some of the matches aren't great but most of the upper card matches have been cosistently good as have the upper card wrestlers. The matches from Hermann, Storm, Fleisch, Parker, Williams, Dino Scarlo and Alex shane have put the wwf's (inteference/run in fest) matches to shame.

 

As for copying the wwf i dont agree, although thats like saying its bad for young footballers to copy david beckham. WWF is a huge business so some of its ideas should be copied as long as the fwa dont sell out and go overboard with wwf style storylines and sacrifice the in ring action i dont give a damn. Someone needs to give us WRESTLING fans something else to watch.

 

Alex shane is not the greatest wrestler and he needs to improve a few parts of his game but he's a consistent performer who never fails to get the crowd on their feet. Him copying the rock is just bs, so know every cockey charismatic wrestler is a copy of the rock?

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I have to agree with Aaron. FWA is going in the WWF direction of "Sports Entertainment".

 

Back in the day, the UK had its own style but now FWA are "leading the way" with the crap and thats what the "internet fans" want to see and it sucks.

 

British wrestlign will never grow with people like Mark Sloan, Elisar Cabrera and Alex Shane invovled. They want to push "sports entertainment". It is a waste. They will never be as big as the WWF.

 

My advice to the whole UK scene is be your own style not some sports entertainment, use some decent matches which don't have lots of run-ins and gimmicks.

 

Be yourself.

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Guest aaron_spencer

HosGood i have never in any of my columns, and you can check them, have i mentioned the promotion, i once gave a link out but that was like 2 months ago. I dont want the fans of any promotion to think that i am offering something better. I love the pro wrestling buisness, i was stating my oppinion, i was actually talking to a few promoters and wrestlers, and a few other people in the biz, and the discussion of the FWA came up, and we got talking, and we all came to the same conclusion. Anyway i decided to turn it in to a column, DONT in anyway think i am trying to get interest for the promotion i am invoved in, infact i am not going to mention its name, and do not think i am trying to take fans away from British wrestling.

 

I was stating facts and what people think, i wasnt trying to gain any type of monopoly from it. Support British wrestling, and support the promotions you like best, i was stating facts, and i sure am not any better than any fan, we are all equals, and we love British pro wrestling.

 

My point was spoken, and the fans spoke their point.

 

Thanks for the replys everyone. :)

 

Aaron Spencer

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Guest Tomc2488

Revival was my first British wrestling show and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Basically all the matches were good and I'm looking forward to see more.

 

Now this show was with mostly FWA stars so I'm not going to start saying FWA is better than Hammerlock, better than TWA etc etc. I shall have to wait and see one of their shows.

 

But the FWA is still a good promotion. There is some great talent in Doug Williams, Jody Fleish, Jonny Storm, Robbie Brookside AND Alex Shane.

 

I am not the biggest fan of big men and he needs a bit more time but he is still pretty good.

 

I also have seen an FWA tape and as well as guys that wrestled at Revival there are other talents. Paul Travell, Jack Xavier, The New Breed etc etc.

 

And I do not think the FWA are following the ways of WWF and Sports Entertainment. First off the FWA seem to allow talent on their shows whereas WWF has been firing guys left right and centre who do have talent, i.e Jerry Lynn. FWA shows have storylines but these work well with matches that contain the best bits from styles all over the world.

 

What I'm trying to say is everyone is intitled to their opinion. But from what I've saw FWA are a great promotion and are defenitley better than average.

 

Thanks for everyones time.

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NB: I didn't want to contribute to this thread because those who have been to the shows and seen the FWA live can speak their own minds and opinions unbiased about what they feel about it - but what the hey, I figured why not, its probably what Aaron wants......

 

 

 

WWF? Puh-lease!

 

I would like to know how we brainwash people?

 

Perhaps we kidnapped 2000 people before Revival and brainwashed them to beleive that they would enjoy it and planted the entire audience?

 

Perhaps every fan whoever posts on a forum saying how they enjoy the FWA shows and the FWA-style (not WWF style) is really someone who we have taken to some secret brainwashing base.

 

If we were not up to the job of putting on good shows do you think Tommy Boyd would have hired us? Of course not, he is an intelligent man who does the appropriate research.

 

Perhaps Bravo were brainwashed at this secret brainwashing base to because how could they possibly think Revival is any good right Aaron?

 

Your column was good comedy but nothing more.

 

Oh, the FWA can take criticism and encourages it (hey, after each show we have fans always giving us their thoughts, praises, criticisms) - but name calling and slagging off for the sake of it is not the same thing as criticism - criticism should be constructive and useful, otherwise its just someone pretending to be giving an opinion when all they are doing is enacting their own political agenda - either that or just being a prat for the sake of it.

 

Good luck with your promotion Aaron. At least you have made lots of fans in this thread/forum who will want to see it ;-)

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Guest aaron_spencer

Tired so tired of your thoughts.

 

There is a Revival Chat tonight on this very site. So pop along at 10pm ans see what the fans say about the show.

 

Are you by any chance the same Cab who manages Alex Shane?.

 

One good thing to come out of this debate is the fact its been lively. iIdidnt say the FWA was rubbish, but dont insult the fans who listen to Tommy Boyd and say he is intelligent when it comes to wrestling, because On TWO we know better.

 

Anyway i elcome your comments, and they are valid, but please dont attack me at every chance you get. I am a partner in a wrestling promotion, i have also promoted before, and i am on the radio in Nottingham on March 22nd, doing a talk on British wrestling. And the talk will babout our promotion, nd the past and present of British wrestling.

 

1 still say Alex Shane is not worthy of the 43 place in PowerSlam, then again he isnt worthy of place 1043.

 

Have a good day Cab, and no hard feelings, its a debate it not a "I HATE AARON SPENCER" debate. :bg :bg :bg :xyx

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Guest Tomc2488
iIdidnt say the FWA was rubbish, but dont insult the fans who listen to Tommy Boyd and say he is intelligent when it comes to wrestling, because On TWO we know better.

 

When it comes to Tommy Boyd he has come up with a lot of rubbish about wrestling and from what I've heard so far does not have the biggest knowledge of wrestling.

 

But he does know that British Wrestling is good and has had the courage to back it. He sees that it is something that's actual wrestling is as good as the WWF, maybe even better.

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