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While I was at work, I was talking to a female colleague about the next show, she told me that she thouroughly enjoyed KSW's Broken rules and was quite upset about not being able to go to the next event.

 

Now, these are people who are determined to believe that wrestling is fake, but it got me to thinking about Broken rules and how much the crowd were up for it that night. But what i distinctly remembered was the crowd getting more and more worked up as the night progressed.

 

It kinda reminded me of an old saying we musical performers have, "Save the best till last because they'll be so drunk they'll remember it forever".

 

As Britian is one of the biggest alcohol consuming societies, and with today's work pressures a lot of people like to be entertained with alcohol, or at least relax with it in a pub.

 

The other thing is, it is hard to bring a child to a pub without the lil mite getting bored and causing mischief. Therefore it is harder for the family to go out together and the non driving parent to have a drink.

 

However, a wrestling match that is held at a venue with a bar can solve a lot of these problems. I saw reserved people screaming at the heel, wanting him dead and loving the face, I saw families where the parents seem to actually enjoy themselves with their kids.

 

So perhaps shows might consider to show at venues that serve alcohol, as it will bring in more disinterested people like the work colleague i spoke to, she loves wrestling now, and the fact that KSW's deadly Alliance 2 will have a bar, a lot more of my work colleauges have become interested in coming.

 

Perhaps you would all like to discuss this issue.

 

Saracen.

 

P.S. This discussion is about alcohol supplied during shows and not about KSW.

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Yes it can be a good thing and a bad thing, as you say it loosens the crowd up but can also cause problems.

 

I think only shows with proper security not some kids or trainees should be allowed to act like security at a show, I mean a drunk can get nasty and its better to have the real security than some little kid playing it. If alcohol is at a show, then the safety of the public and wrestlers should be paramount.

 

I know many promotions don't bother, thats thier choice. But would you want your kid going to a show with no security where drunks could be present. I know I wouldnt

 

Gary

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That is true,

 

but don't forget, the audience's attention is focussed on the matches, therefore, as it has mostly been seen, all agression tends to go towaards the wrestlers. Most wrestlers are big enough to look after themselves or even just ignore any bad will towards them. However, like Scott Future wrote in his issue 11, there is a whole room of wrestlers in the back.

 

Anyone who turned up, got drunk and picked a fight in a wrestling show would do the same in any public house.

 

But your point on security is a good one.

 

Saracen

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I remember FCW's first show of the year, Back To The Future at the Baggeridge Social Welfare Centre in Lower Gornal. The place is pretty smallish (holds about 150 or so with people standing) and there is a bar at the back, and by the time Sam Green and Keith Myatt got to the main event, a lot of Sam's mates seemed quite... gone. THeir behaviour was becoming louder, but not actually threatening, and Keith had a wail of a time by the looks by playing to it as a heel. These fans were pretending to start a fight with him and threatening him and getting well behind Sam, and I noticed that although they had drunken, they still knew it was wrestling, and was fun, but the alcohol had let them just go and be themselves, without harming anyone, but having a blast and allowing Sam to have mega heat which got younger fans into cheering, and gave Myatt motivatino to be a better heel.

 

So from that, I think it came off real well. Of course, it won't happen all the time, but that time around, it certainly helped the show a lot.

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I prefer venues to have a bar, you always get really thirsty at shows specially if they're packed. I remember one FWA show with no bar just tins of cheap cola and we were all boiling and dying for a drink, didn't go down to well!! Thing is (FWA ;) ) I prefer to actually be able to finish my drink before the intervals over!! FCW are good like that. :)
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I think my main point about a bar being present is that it can interest people not normally interested in wrestling. As *most* venues are a friday or a saturday night, what can put off non normal punters is the fact that they would be thinking that they could be in the pub enjoying a drink.

 

I'm not advocating excessive drinking, I just see that, because we are an alcohol consuming society that wrestling shows should at least consider supplying the basics in refreshments. For most people, a friday or a saturday is usually their night out and will want a drink.

 

Because the public concensus is that wrestling is faked (thanks vince), a certain amount of the ridiculous surrounds wrestling, but I have noticed that even the staunchest wrestling hater (ie my dad) will relax and enjoy himself and get involved in the match.

 

Oddly, it is the fact that alcohol at events is socially acceptable, gives people who are dubious about wrestling the excuse they need to go watch. Kinda like the term "Oh what the hell, if I don't enjoy it, at least there's a bar" sort of attitude.

 

However, as I have found, everyone I have invited to an event has thouroughly enjoyed themselves and ask me to tell them when the next event is. Even if they think that wrestling is ridiculous, at least they think it is fun.

 

Having said that, even the designated driver enjoyed himself as well and will be coming to Deadly Alliance 2.

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I remember FCW's first show of the year' date=' Back To The Future at the Baggeridge Social Welfare Centre in Lower Gornal. The place is pretty smallish (holds about 150 or so with people standing) and there is a bar at the back, and by the time Sam Green and Keith Myatt got to the main event, a lot of Sam's mates seemed quite... gone. THeir behaviour was becoming louder, but not actually threatening, and Keith had a wail of a time by the looks by playing to it as a heel. [/quote']

 

AGreed, but it should also be noted that my fiance got elbowed in the face twice by these rowdy fans without recourse or apology, her camcorder knocked clean out of her hands and was climbed upon heavily, to the point where she left the show early. Surely she should have had some security keeping an eye out or to talk to about their behaviour?

 

Please understand this is not a dig at all but a practical observation where security can be used for much less than a fight. An incident like that could have caused a massive fight had it been someone else's girl and they saw it as it happened, right?

 

Security are there to prevent trouble as well as stop it when it starts.

 

Majik

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AGreed, but it should also be noted that my fiance got elbowed in the face twice by these rowdy fans without recourse or apology, her camcorder knocked clean out of her hands and was climbed upon heavily, to the point where she left the show early. Surely she should have had some security keeping an eye out or to talk to about their behaviour?

 

Please understand this is not a dig at all but a practical observation where security can be used for much less than a fight. An incident like that could have caused a massive fight had it been someone else's girl and they saw it as it happened, right?

 

Security are there to prevent trouble as well as stop it when it starts.

 

Majik

 

At our last show, this was the case. One pisshead was making life very uncomftable for the other people in the crowd, he was getting drunker and the fans getting scared. The security warned him 3 times and then ejected him swiftly. They knew what to do so not to draw attention to the fact he was being escorted out of the side door.

 

It was not a problem but at times its better to sort out these problems before they turn too much of a handfull.

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At what size a crowd do you think security is needed?

 

Just a simple question, as if a show has a poor turn out, the company is making a serious loss. To add the expense of security on the off chance that someone might get out of hand is something that most companies cannot afford to risk on.

 

I understand and appreciate your view though majik, thanks.

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At what size a crowd do you think security is needed?

 

Just a simple question, as if a show has a poor turn out, the company is making a serious loss. To add the expense of security on the off chance that someone might get out of hand is something that most companies cannot afford to risk on.

 

I understand and appreciate your view though majik, thanks.

 

What price is the safety of the crowd in the venue?

 

Its when you cut corners then you have problems. Promotions that dont have adiquate first aid, security etc, should not be promoting and you will find are in breach of the Public Liability Insurance and more than likely the Public Entertainments Licence. I know when we ad to do our risk assessments for shows, this was all taken into account.

 

If a promotion does not draw, then thats the promotions fault, there is no price on the safety of the fans, wrestlers or staff at any venue. A good guide line for security as we were advised is 1 security per 50 people.

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I agree with you totally wrestlezone, and I'm really just playing devil's advocate to try reach the depths of this discussion.

 

The other thing I would probably ask is, how much responsibility would the supplier have?

 

In a pub the owner has the right to refuse service, I'm sure that is the same too within any social club, community centre and town hall that are licensed to supply alcohol at events.

 

When you say nip it in the bud early, how about the vendor not serving the aforementioned piss head?

The safety of the crowd and wrestlers is paramount, but aren't the vendors of alcohol, who serve people regardless of their condition be forcing the situation upon people?

 

Would it be better to apply a mutual responsibility?

 

Saracen

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Oh, and public entertainments license is the licensee's responsibility, not the wrestling companies....

 

Oddly, you could put on a show without one and serve alcohol, as long as it was the same two wrestlers all night....

 

Iron man contest anyone?:D

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I cant see "Joe Bloggs" of the street going to watch a wrestling show if they Don't like wrestling or Don't know anyone involved in the show.

 

If they don't fall into those categories, then they are just wasting their time and their money...Obviously it's good for the shows that they attend, cause at the end of the day, it's another ass in their crowd.

 

But, like i say I cant see some with no interest in wrestling going to a show soley on the fact their is a bar/alcohol their.

 

If people wanna go out and intentionally get drunk, then they'll go to pubs/clubs/Social clubs (when their no family orientated shows on), to meet people with the same intentions as themselves, which would be to either to "kop off" or just drinkthemselves silly, so they can forget about whatever problems they have in their life.

 

Obviously for people who are going to the shows anyway, it's always a bonus for them, that the venue has a bar, as it always livens up the atmosphere, either for the better or worse.

 

All FCW venues do actually have bars and serve alcohol, and the next show to have a bar and serve alcohol, is this coming Sunday April 25th 2004 @

Baggeridge Social Welfare Centre, Lower Gornal

Doors Open - 7:00pm - Show Starts - 7:45pm

 

This is also about alcohol served at shows, and and is no way a disscussion or to promote FCW's upcoming show this Sunday ;)

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Clever dig celt....

 

Anyhoo...

 

So far we have:

 

Alcohol relaxes the crowd and lets them get into the matches.

However security who are trained to deal with drunks are needed.

There should be 1 security to every 50 people.

The licensee of the bar shares the responsibility of controlling abusive behaviour by refusing to serve alcohol to overindulgent punters.

 

Anything else?

 

And I didn't even mention KSW's event Deadly alliance 2 at St. Teresa's social club, wellington road, Perry barr, April 30th, £7 for adults, £4.50 concessions, dorrs open at 7.00 pm.... once!

 

*thinks*

 

Ahh t*ts...... :D

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AGreed, but it should also be noted that my fiance got elbowed in the face twice by these rowdy fans without recourse or apology, her camcorder knocked clean out of her hands and was climbed upon heavily, to the point where she left the show early. Surely she should have had some security keeping an eye out or to talk to about their behaviour?

 

Please understand this is not a dig at all but a practical observation where security can be used for much less than a fight. An incident like that could have caused a massive fight had it been someone else's girl and they saw it as it happened, right?

 

Security are there to prevent trouble as well as stop it when it starts.

 

Majik

I honestly didn't know this and apologise for that. Did you say it to the FCW chiefs? Cas I can't imagine that stuff like that would just be ignored, nor should it be. As wZw said, fan security is one of the most, if not THE most important factor in promoting a show.

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Appreciated Draven - when I came back for my third show I was keeping an eye out for the aforementioned fans, but as Sam wasn't on I didn't have chance to have a word myself.

 

This is turning into a very interesting thread though!

 

[QQUOTE]Oh, and public entertainments license is the licensee's responsibility, not the wrestling companies....

 

Sorry bro - no it isn't! It is usual if the licensee is hring the entertainment, but if it is a private function with public access then it is the promotors complete responsibility to make sure the licensee has a PE license.

 

Likeise we work with 1 security per 50 people.

 

All such things are dealt with and shall be on Saturday 24th April, Centre AT7 in Coventry at 7:30 pm when Adults pay only £6 and under 12s only £4 to see MPW superstars such as Majik, White Tiger, Leon ,Lionheart and Jetta clash with SCW superstars such as Conscience and NWA-UK Superstars such as Alex Gold, Devilman and Paul Vault. :)

 

Majik

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Actually I just checked my facts and a Wrestling event isn't held under the entertainemnts licensing act, so I was wrong on that account...apologies.

 

Public entertainments license is for music and dancing, in the case of incedental music (such as wrestler's themes as they walk out) it is an exemption.

 

There are exemptions for these requirements, which broadly speaking are as follows:-

 

If the music is merely incidental at functions such as garden fetes, bazaars and sporting events or in the case of boxing, wrestling and karate, if the event is held in a pleasure fair.

Source: http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/1999/12/30/www.dudley.gov.uk/council/legal/license/content.htm
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On the same topic but slightly off topic at the same time:

 

I do a lot of "On-stage" work with Am-dram and pantomimes etc, and i love going out into the second half of a show.

 

By this point the audience have had chance to get the half time drink down their necks and have usually gulped it down so that they can get another in before the warning bell.

 

With Panto its great, because the adults start to relax and join in (thats why all the audience participation stuff is in the second half :))

 

It does make a difference to the reactions and inhibitions of people. Unfortunatley it does lead to other problems, such as described, but that happens whenever Alcohol is involved.

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